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Old 04-09-2005, 10:56 AM
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Nuclear option!!

A number of years ago Ted Turner told me that because dams were so detremental to the enviroment we should be looking more seriously at Nukes for electricity.
This is being brought up more frequently as of late more in line with curbing the Green House emmissions associated with burning hydrocarbons. Personally I have an open mind to many of the options that are available to us from conservation to other alternative methods.
It is widely reported that the world consumption of energy based on "third world" modernization will grow by a minimum of 60% over the next decade this will cause a much larger spike in the green house effect and maybe it is time to at least start a dialouge as to the safety and utilization of Nukes.
I read that in China they have a promising new technology that allows safe and much smaller plants to produce electricity at a fraction of what it cost to subsidise and operate dams and there construction. An open mind is a terrible thing to waste.
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Old 04-09-2005, 12:06 PM
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In the US we read less than 2% of the printed material we produce. Just look at the Sunday paper. The problem is the economic structure of businesses putting ads into the paper, who cares if we only read the funnies.

I wonder how many megawatt hours we could save by converting all of our incandescent bulbs to flourescent screw-ins, which BTW are more cost-effective because they last so damn long while using only a minute fraction of the energy?

Let's say there are 350 towns in MA each with 1000 homes (conservative avg) with 25 light bulbs (even more conservative).

Since:
13 watt CFL is equivalent to a 60 watt incandescent
18 watt CFL is equivalent to a 75 watt incandescent
27 watt CFL is equivalent to a 100 watt incandescent
30 watt CFL is equivalent to a 150 watt incandescent

We could save 498,750,000 watts of electricity by using compact "75w (18w)" flourescents instead of incandescents in Massachusetts alone, actually I believe since these estimates are low the figure would far exceed that.

Now apply this one metric to the continent, and add the 100 or so other things we could do at home, the car and the office that would provide a similar return on simple investment.

Like they say, we throw away more than other countries consume.
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Old 04-09-2005, 12:33 PM
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AND THE WINNER IS.......

Fastest Growing energy Source Worldwide!
Wind Power
Germany now produces 15+% of it's Electricity from Windpower
(Worldwatch)
The wind in North Dakota alone could supply up to 1/3 of the U.S. Electricity needs.
Solar Energy instalations increased 35% in the past 5 years.

Aisa is the only region in the world where Electrical Generating capacity, in particular Nuclear, is growing at a high rate.
Aisa has 100 Power Reactors in 6 countries generating now, with 20 under construction, and another 40 on the books.
Japan leads with 56 in operation, next is S. Korea with 18, India with 14 and China rounds out the top 4.
There was a Nuclear Conference in Washington this past Feb. sponsered by Platts, a subsid of McGraw/ Hill, but I could not get the stats from it, only that it was U.S./Canada "Agressive" movement and renewed intrest in newer more efficent reactors

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Old 04-09-2005, 04:32 PM
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We switched over to the Pig Tail lights last year, they have made a difference on the light bill and thats a good thing, enviromentaly and economicaly.
I saw a blurb on the Nukes in China they are supposedly smaller and more cost effective to operate.
The big problem coming down the track at the speed of light isn't as much about our ability to conserve (although we should) its about the explosion in the middle class in Asia and India and South America they are all about to launch into the same cycle of consumer driven economic expansion that we have been on for some time.
I heard a report that radio active waste from a nuke in France was encased in Glass and stored under a school building how is that possible ? Are there different kinds of radioactive "debris".
I could have driven the 2 hours to go fishing today and fished some very marginal conditions but with the price of gas as high as it is I elected to work in the yard and watch the Mariner's with my wife (the #1 Fan). This high price of gas is similar to the idea of putting a heavy tax on gasoline to get people to consereve. Painful medicine and I'm sure it will hurt some segment of the economy but will create a boom in some other part where an idea person says hey what if!!!!
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Old 04-09-2005, 06:15 PM
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Moonlight,

Surely you are not suggesting that we in the US and other industrialized countries with large economic middle classes ought to be responsible for what Asian, India, and South American countries do? Who has the duty to pay for pollution control technoligies? I submit that it is the responsibility of those countries to do so, not the taxpayers of the developed countries.

I also submit the hodgepodge of local gasoline formulation requirements is also helping to drive the price of gasoline and diesel up. Why can't we have a single formulation for each octane level of gasoline for summer and a single one for winter instead of the 60 or so for summer and the additonal 60 or so for winter we have now in the US?
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Old 04-09-2005, 09:51 PM
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Hey FT I wasn't suggesting any such thing just pointing out that the inevitable creation of the new emerging middle classes is going to be running the economic engine of the planet and will be using more than we are in just a few short years. I doubt that you or I will have much to do or say in this endevor but it could make interesting enviro policy to watch develop.
As to the myriad of fuel mixtures I know its pretty complex my advice buy stock in both Tesoro and Valero they will cover your backside,
More rain tomorrow it just might be over on this side of the Sound already. (Re, Winter runs)
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Old 04-10-2005, 08:59 AM
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Nukes . . .

Nuclear has a lot of advantages, but one nasty problem . . . what to do with the waste, which is highly toxic and doesn't leave the environment for centuries. It may be part of the solution, but what we really need to focus on first is how to reduce our use of energy (any by "our" I mean that of all of us around the world . . . we in the US are by far the biggest per-captia consumers of energy and need to show far more leadership in conservation and efficiency - - - but energy consumption is growing very fast all around the world, so this needs to be addressed with global cooperation --- and there too the US needs to show more leadership).
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