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Old 03-29-2005, 05:36 PM
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Canoe & Spey??

I knew I had another question!!

So, if you are in a canoe with a spey rod....



You are the angler with the rod in this photo...

Is it easy?
What's the ideal cast?
Fly choice??


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Hi Ann, Single off the right hand no problem but why bother. Just as easy to overhand. As to fly choice that is something else. Every reply will prob. give a different answer with the correct answer only in the mind of the one replying.
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Old 03-29-2005, 09:18 PM
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Just to let you know.......IT'S SNOWING!!!!!

Let's hope it stays cool until May.....

I have a new run I want you to try out next season ......


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Old 03-30-2005, 01:16 AM
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I think a single spey would worry the ropeman, the fisher should be in the stern of the boat and double speying.

Here is a picture of the head gillie from Delfur boating a lucky angler down the Spey.
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No spey rods in my canoe!

Ann,

Good question!

Spey rods are very dangersous in canoes and are not recommended, no matter what sort of cast you use.

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I have spent quite a bit of time using a two hander out of a canoe in Quebec and the PNW. It is hardly dangerous, or any more dangerous, just more of a 'nuisance' than need be when spey casting. If I am alone in my Restigouche Canoe I will use a double hander as I can stand near the stern. Otherwise take advantage of the boat and use a single hander to cover the water.

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l) Stretch a cable or thick rope a few feet above the ground, perhaps between two trees. Learn to balance while sitting or standing on it, depending on the level of your aspirations.
2) When you've mastered that, learn to juggle.
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The rules of engagement are the same whether on a canoe or on foot, but the angler' "footprint" changes dramatically with the length of the craft.

This angler is in the middle of the canoe's footprint, thus must either use a 25ft rod to reach over his friends or move to either end of the canoe in accordance with the wind.

On foot, a downriver wind causes the caster to use a downriver anchor; and an upriver wind forces an upriver anchor. Likewise, this angler must either take the downriver end in a downriver wind or the upriver end on an upriver wind and place the anchor in the water off to the side.

In a no-wind situation either would work.

Simon Gawesworth demonstrates the application of a snake roll from the end of a canoe in the ISC video.

Overhead casting with the two-hander all things being equal (skill level) lifts the line further away from the other people on board and the casts will reach further requiring less anchor adjustment.

Fighting fish, particularly landing fish is more challenging with a longer rod on board a canoe unless the angler is positioned on the upriver end with the gillie on the other end. Rowing to shore might be a good approach for a large fish.

An Atlantis 1109 might be a good over/under choice from a canoe although I haven't tried it personally that way. I hear that it's a spot-on match with Rio's new Skagit line (7/8w) and can't wait to get mine to see for myself.
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Without wishing to hijack this thread, what are the advantages/disadvantages of a canoe over the styles of boat used on this side of the atlantic? And what function, if any, do the three non-fishers shown in the picture perform, or are some of them simply spectators? Can the fisherman sit when casting, or is it necessary for him to stand up, with the risk of instability in a boat of narrow beam?

As you can tell, I'm not familiar with canoes at all, but returning to the question I'd agree with Willie G (no surprise!) in what he says, as a matter of principle. I've fished (and gillied) in different styles of boat, both in Scotland and Norway, but the same basic rules applied in both places.

The fisherman should be in the stern of the boat, and wherever possible the fly should stay downstream of him. This means either a double spey, snake roll or other downstream anchor cast, or an overhead cast off the downstream shoulder. It should not matter if that's your weaker side; one of the advantages of a boat is that the fisherman can be positioned so he doesn't need a long cast to cover the best water. Out of consideration for your boatman, the fly should never pass over his head. I used to work with a Tweed boatman who lost the sight of an eye through someone not obeying this rule.

But if, for example, there was an upstream wind blowing which prevented a downstream-anchored spey cast, and there was a good reason why the fisher couldn't cast overhead off the downstream shoulder, if I were the boatman I would certainly want the fisher to use as long a rod as possible to keep the fly well away from me.
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