Has it been proved inconclusively that spring fish breed springers?? - Fly Fishing Forum
Classic Atlantic Salmon No pursuit rivals salmon rivers, flies & legacy

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 01-19-2005, 05:41 PM
TYNE SPEYCASTER TYNE SPEYCASTER is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: TYNE
Posts: 21
Post Has it been proved inconclusively that spring fish breed springers??

We have had some debate on the Tyne regarding the Environment Agency policy of returning all fish in England and Wales before 16th June each year. Peter Gray at Kielder Hatchery reckons that springers do breed springers, but has no proof. Is it not possible that Salmosalar is infinately more adaptable than we realise?? Are springers not the Kamikazes (or to be harvested) of the species, their redds, if they survive to cut them, overcut by the late runners. This leads on to C&R, gone are the days of stale fish being killed but it would be surely acceptable to take one prime springer, the pick of the crop, to eat, share gift etc etc and put back everything, everywhere, from end of august??

Tyne Speycaster fishing in Chaytors footsteps!!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #2  
Old 01-20-2005, 12:53 AM
Willie Gunn's Avatar
Willie Gunn Willie Gunn is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Spey, Deveron.Brora, Ness, Connon, Beauly
Posts: 1,096
Tulchan is a beat that follows the Spey Board recommendations that the first third fish etc is returned. Spring fish are genetically different from other salmon and deserve to be protected until there are enough to take a "crop" without endangering the species. The majority of spring fish are female and require protection.

At the present time on the Spey it is UNacceptable to kill any spring fish, although under the present rules it is allowable.
__________________
Willie Gunn
Quot homines tot sententiae

www.speygillie.co.uk
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #3  
Old 01-20-2005, 03:41 AM
Gary W Gary W is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Scotland
Posts: 135
I have heard that spring fish derive from slow growing parr/smolts that are hatched in higher streams with less food availability. Hence, the slower growth rate. Perhaps there could be some truth in this - i.e. slower growth in the river, more time spent at sea feeding ???? This would mean that returning fish would seek out the same spawning streams and in turn produce more spring fish. Perhaps somebody else can provide clarification on this point.

As for killing springers; only if we have a sustainable run. I disagree with blanket catch and release but surely if an animal is endangered we should not be killing it for the pot. However, on rivers where they still allow the nets to kill fish(North and South Esk), is it fair to impose a ban on killing fish with rod and line.

Unfortunately, some fisheries managers/riparian owners/DSFB's have had to impose bans on killing of fish because a minority of anglers cannot be trusted to reap only the minimum that they require.

Would you be happy killing one springer if you caught three or four or more in a week, or all spring?

I usually kill one salmon a year for a special occassion, and return all the rest. If I caught a springer, unless on a river where they are in abundance, I think I would be returning it and waiting until summer for a grilse for the pot.
__________________
Tight Lines
Gary W
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #4  
Old 01-20-2005, 07:28 AM
fcch's Avatar
fcch fcch is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Rv Ste-Marguerite Saguenay Quebec
Posts: 194
Question Question ??

Willie (et.al.),

Please excuse my ignorance, ... Are "springers" on your side of the Atlantic fresh from the sea spawners, or "black" salmon which wintered over in the river??

Thanx.
__________________
Christopher Chin
christopher.chin@videotron.ca

Last edited by fcch; 01-20-2005 at 07:28 AM.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #5  
Old 01-20-2005, 07:47 AM
Gary W Gary W is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Scotland
Posts: 135
fcch,

Springer is the term used to describe clean fish which run earlier in the season. These fish enter our rivers approximately from January thru' May. They are usually in prime condition in terms of shape, colour and freshness from the tide. Because these fish run our rivers so early, they have a long wait in freshwater before spawning around November/December time.

However, their numbers have been in general decline throughout Scotland and many rivers have banned killing fish before June to try to conserve and improve stocks of these early running fish. It's understandable; if they were wiped out completely, we would lose five months of our Salmon fishing season which, would not only make me cry, it would hit small local economies hard.
__________________
Tight Lines
Gary W
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #6  
Old 01-20-2005, 01:29 PM
fcch's Avatar
fcch fcch is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Rv Ste-Marguerite Saguenay Quebec
Posts: 194
Thumbs up

Gary,

Thanks,

They must become a mere shadow of their former majesty come december. Our adults arrive in late june and seem to evaporate before our eyes come august-september (weight loss).
__________________
Christopher Chin
christopher.chin@videotron.ca
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #7  
Old 01-20-2005, 02:58 PM
Willie Gunn's Avatar
Willie Gunn Willie Gunn is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Spey, Deveron.Brora, Ness, Connon, Beauly
Posts: 1,096
Quote:
Originally Posted by fcch
Willie (et.al.),

Please excuse my ignorance, ... Are "springers" on your side of the Atlantic fresh from the sea spawners, or "black" salmon which wintered over in the river??

Thanx.
Springers as Gary says fresh fish, we call black salmon kelts and they have a terrible stigma. Me I miss them when I don't catch any, there were very few on the Helmsdale today.
__________________
Willie Gunn
Quot homines tot sententiae

www.speygillie.co.uk
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
  #8  
Old 01-20-2005, 03:33 PM
fcch's Avatar
fcch fcch is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Rv Ste-Marguerite Saguenay Quebec
Posts: 194
Willie,

Quote:
we call black salmon kelts
I was wondering about that too, but figured I'd wait instead of looking like a complete idiot
__________________
Christopher Chin
christopher.chin@videotron.ca
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Fly Fishing Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
south beach:1 fish 2 fish a #!#% load of blue fish striperstripper Stripers and Coastal Gamefish 2 07-27-2004 02:44 PM
2004 springers lummels Classic Atlantic Salmon 45 05-18-2004 01:45 PM
Springers on a 3 weight? sinktip Pacific Northwest Sea Run Forum 5 05-24-2000 08:39 AM
Springers on a fly??? juro Pacific Northwest Sea Run Forum 0 05-08-2000 08:56 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:16 AM.



Copyright Flyfishingforum.com (All Rights Reserved)