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Old 11-24-2004, 04:40 AM
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best SWF 7 or 8 rod available

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What is in your opinion the best rod available in the 7 or 8-weight class for saltwater fly-fishing? I'm looking for long casts and possible delicate presentations.
You could help me by mentioning your experiences. I'm also interested in blanks.
To be honest I kind of got a bit lost in the numerous possibilities nowadays, so many good reviews on the different rods from Sage, Loomis, TFO, Dan Craft, etc. With your info I have a starting point to decide which rods I have to give a try casting.
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Old 11-24-2004, 11:06 AM
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I really like the loomis crosscurrent, awsome distance with finesse! But then again I might be biased
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Old 11-26-2004, 11:46 AM
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Sage's Xi2 needs to be considered. Or if you can get your hands on a used RPLXi. Those would be my choices.

It's all a matter of opinion.
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Old 11-27-2004, 04:08 PM
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Thanks Bruce and SageBoy for your replies.
I'm a bit disappointed only these two reactions came so far.
Did I do something wrong ??
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Old 11-27-2004, 11:04 PM
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Adrian -

Your question is fine. You just caught all the Yanks on this board on a long holiday weekend--our Thanksgiving celebration. To keep the thread at the top of the forum on Monday morning and trigger some more answers after we have digested our turkey dinners, come back with a little more information about the size and species of fish you're targeting and the kind of water you fish. Is it open surf, tidal bays, saltmarsh? That may help prompt more responses. On this side of the Atlantic, at least in New England where this board started, eight- to ten-weight rods are the more common choices for saltwater, and longer, two-handed rods are starting to show up on the open beach. I fish with Thomas and Thomas rods, another crisp, fast rod. At the upper left of this page, under the "Flyfishing Forum" logo is a link to sponsors. For more rod choices and specs, you might want to click on some of those links.
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Old 11-28-2004, 10:41 AM
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Thanks for your advice.
To give some more info: the seabass we are after are a bit smaller than the stripers you are used to. Unfortunately we don't have those overhere. Our bass grow up to about 15-20 lbs. If you get one of 5 pound plus you have a nice fish. For the weight/power ratio they are the tuffest fighting fish I have encountered (including fresh run 40 lbs+ Kings, large trout and 30lbs pike)
The ideal rod for the fish itself is, in my opinion a 7 or 8 rod. Sometimes you have to use a heavier line, but that is due to the wind or weight of the flies used. We use about the same flies as you do for stripers, just a bit smaller in general. The kind of fishing is from beaches (open surf) often casting far out to structures. Also popular is belly boating in a secluded area, seperated form the open sea by a large dam of bolders (large concrete blocks). It's very tempting to try it on the outside of this dam too, as it's much better fishing. If you do so you will arrive in England in about one week! Kayaking is possible but haven't tried that yet.
Hope you all had a fine Thanksgiving.
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Old 11-28-2004, 09:27 PM
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In BC the 796xp is quite a popular stick for beach use for coho and pinks.

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Old 11-29-2004, 10:44 PM
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I am a big Scott fan - I really loved their HP series which had a somewhat soft tip but still very fast and smooth. Their new series the S3S is very fast but also smooth casting at all distances from short to long.
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Old 11-30-2004, 04:39 PM
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O.K. so we have got the Loomis Cross Current, the Sages Xi2 and RplXi, and the Scott HP and S3S rods. On those I can lay my hands on as we have dealers of those in Holland. On the others it will be difficult as I have not heard of any dealers over here.
Still no news from the Loomis fans, TFO's or the Dan Craft rods. I do expect all of these brands to have great rods. Btw my own experience is that good rods do not have to be expensive ones, but they can be. Also I feel that a superfast rod is not necessary to be the best casting one although I am a quite fast caster. I'm often using Gatti rods IM6 and higher modulus ones though the last one makes me nervous if using Clousers)

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Michael, thanks for your reply. You asked for a picture of these critters, here are some I picked form the web.
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Old 12-01-2004, 12:48 PM
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Adrian,

Nice fish. Thanks for posting photos.
Amazing. They look just like striped bass without the stripes. Does anyone fish for them at night? Do they hit topwater lures?

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Old 12-01-2004, 05:19 PM
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best SWF 7 or 8 rod available

Adrian,
for some good reviews on the TFO rods, check out the forum on Dan Blanton's website.
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Old 12-01-2004, 11:57 PM
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Best 8-weight I've cast

Adrian,

The best 8 weight, saltwater suitable rod I have cast in the last several years is the great tournament caster Tim Rajeff's Echo 9 foot 8 weight. This has what he calls a medium fast action. It has a quick but sensitive tip on top of a deeply powerful progressive action mid and butt section. Over the years I have cast virtually all the American 8 weights (Sage, Loomis, Winston, Fly Logic, etc.) at various venues. The best I have cast is the Echo. Amazingly, it is also the least expensive of the very good rods I have cast. In the hand it is extremely light and feels like you are casting a six-weight rod, but it will easily cast an entire WF8 line. It has plenty of fighting power for saltwater fish, especially the size of the ones you indicate.

However, I think it extremely unlikely you could find it overseas.

You might, however, be able to order it through someone like Mike Cummins (MJC) at the Red Shed Fly Shop. I know he has sent some rods to buyers outside the US. He is great to deal with.
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Old 12-02-2004, 08:28 AM
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Good information guys, thanks.
To get back at Michael's question:
yes, they do take lures both at the surface as well as deep.
I expect them to be about the same as stripers but just smaller.
I do not know about the power of stripers but by the looks of it, it should
be powerfull too. I'd better check it out for myself once, fishing the Cape or
Monomoy. I am not well aquainted yet with seabass fishing, just did it a couple of times now, but it sure is addictive. For me it's a one and a half hour drive to the coast, and for Dutch standards that's quite far. Last time I was fishing with a bellyboat in a secluded area separated form the open sea by a dam of man made boulders. We fish close to the boulders. I felt the andrenaline running when I had a bass on and in the same time got soaked by a big wave thrashing on the boulders from the open sea. Big big fun! (well secured, life vest, etc). You have to paddle very firmly to stay at the same spot. After a couple of hours you feel like you did something. We just say that it's "not for sissies".
Fly fishing for seabass in Holland has in fact just started since a couple of years, given some exceptions. It's getting more popular now. If anyone wants to know more about the European seabass: here are some very nice sites: ukswff.com(I believe it's a sister forum of this one) myfishcasting.org/approach/index.html , zeebaars.nl
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Old 12-02-2004, 05:18 PM
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I have casted the S3S and don't like it. THe action isn't as smooth as I would like. Has a stiff feeling. I am a big fan of the XP and Xi2. Also if you are looking to go a bit cheaper The G. Loomis GL3, and the Sage FLi are great rods.
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