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Art of Casting Analysis, refinement of the cast

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Old 08-15-2004, 11:50 PM
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Curious, how do you stop the rod in your casting stroke? I have been working on using the "butt-of-the-rod" stop. A little kick back of the bottom hand at the end of my pull to the waist. This seems to super charge the loop and produce a tighter, more consistant loop with both legs of the loop parallel. Just curious to see if there are more ways to stop the rod in the casting stroke.

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Old 08-16-2004, 03:07 PM
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(assuming you are talking about spey casting)

I could be misinterpreting what you are saying but I assume you are talking about a very minute snap-t like move of the rod tip but in a much more subtle way of course. This reversal of tension makes the line jump forward as if it's charged with electricity.

I think we all kickback a tiny bit if for no other reason to hold the rod tip from deflecting. But I think I know what you mean, a little extra reversal of energy for adding "opposing tension" to the loop makes both sides tight. If my memory serves me right (need to go play with it more) this technique lends itself to shorter casts but not necessarily to long casts because it affect line shooting.

For longer casts where you shoot a lot of running line you don't want to introduce a pullback tension on the near end of the line unless there is adequate force to overcome it once the loop is on it's way.

I'll have to go play with it some more, but this is what I recall from the last tie out playing around with it.

This is an interesting point you make Klem - worth looking into for sure! I am curious to hear what others have to say. Maybe we should move this over to the speypages technique section?
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Old 08-16-2004, 11:28 PM
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Spey of course!

Yes, I'm talking spey casting. Sorry I didn't memtion in it up front. Thought very one understood there is only spey casting left in the world. I've been working with a double taper line to get my technique down. So my limits are 70' cast up to 80' using a DT. What I've discovered is the line jumps (super charge effect) off the tip. I've yet to try shooting 100' to 110' foot cast with a head. The "kick-back" (with bottom hand) is very, very small. To much kick-back and the line just off the tip does a dealt shape loop and settles to the water in that dealt shape. My theory is: a solid, conscious stop with the bottom hand makes the tip unfold with greater energy, BUT not a reverse of the butt. I don't think the tip does the snap-t thing. The tip just unloads faster. Hopes this helps in explaining what I'm attempting.
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I will have to try it, maybe I can justr bouce it off my fat belly.


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I will have to try it, maybe I can justr bouce it off my fat belly.


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Old 08-17-2004, 11:01 AM
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Sorry guys

The belly stop just doesn't do it - to much give in the same direction. The stop MUST be firm. I know this because my belly is ample and the belly bounce is to soft and late. The lower hand must complete the stop so the energy is transfer quickly. Klem
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