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Art of Casting Analysis, refinement of the cast

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Old 08-04-2004, 08:01 AM
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Tournament casting

Hi any of you guys into distance tournament casting with shooting heads (Rajeff, Korich and Gillibert style)?
If so any pointers on technique/ swapping of info would be most welcome.
Hope to hear from you soon (and hi from sunny old England)

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Old 08-12-2004, 05:05 AM
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Paul -

I am more of a fishing cast kinda guy but am very interested having seen Steve belt out ridiculous casts at Golden Gate this spring with a tournament rod. This was a distance casting two-hander which he cast for what looked like 250 ft from my angle and distance, maybe more.

By 'tournament casting' I am referring to distance casting with accuracy using extreme rods and technique, not putting a 3wt into a hula hoop. That's interesting and equally worthwhile but not what I meant, just to be clear.

Are you a student of tournament distance casting techniques? If so I am very interesting in talking about this topic. I am sure there is much to be learned to apply to my fishing casts' benefit.

For instance I have already gained a lot by adopting a vee grip, working on extending my stroke, tuning my accleration, etc. I do not cast vertical angle for fishing but understand how the top-pointed loop holds altitude when thrown vertically and is easier to aim.

What books are available on tournament casting that you would recommend? Videos?
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Old 08-13-2004, 08:14 AM
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Hi Juro
Thanks for the reply.
I am what I call an 'intermediate' student of tournament casting (and a member of the British fly casting club), but I am slowly getting really hooked on the subject. Unfortunately I don't know of any books or videos that deal with this subject in real detail.
I like you, am talking about specialist rods and lines (heavy shooting heads 35grm 40-42 feet in length and custom built rods).
I've definately felt the benefit in my day-to-day fishing casts as normal casting with a 6 weight seems to now be in slow motion compared to the reaction time needed to control specialist tackle.
I'm at last getting some semi decent results averaging around the 150 feet mark and a personal best of 53yds 1ft (helped by a lucky gust!!!).
We've got some great casters over here in the club (Sam Davis, Mike Marshall and Carl Hutchinson to name a few) who all hit tremendous distances on a regular basis.
As regards grip I am still experimenting with thumb on top versus vee grip.
There never seems to be enough hours in the working week to practice as much as I would like, but I suppose that's true for all of us.
Give me a shout back if you've got any tips I can try out.
Cheers from England
Paul
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Old 08-13-2004, 09:33 AM
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Thanks for the reply.

How long are the rods you are throwing those lines on? Single or double hand rods?

Sounds interesting.
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Old 08-13-2004, 10:36 AM
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Juro,

Can you describe the vee grip? How is that different from a standard grip?

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Old 08-13-2004, 10:57 AM
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My interpretation may differ from Mr.Nodera and the Rajeffs among others who employ it, but here goes:

The vee grip does not rely on the meat of the thumb to flex the rod as with the standard thumbs up grip, but instead uses the crotch of the hand between the thumb and index finger at the base to cradle the rod.

The back of the hand is turned to face you and the palm does the pushing on the rod.

My preference is for the index finger to open and point upward a little, letting the middle & ring fingers become the operative fingers for gripping the cork in conjunction with the thumb.

Therefore the rod handle contacts the index finger, the palm at the base of the index finger, across the hollow middle of the palm and nestles in the cleavage at the heel of the palm between the meat of the thumb muscle and the karate chop muscle.

The rod has a huge area of contact as a result. The hollow in the middle of the palm is in-line with the wrapping of fingers and thumb, just about everything else is touching cork.

The forward cast begins with a pulling motion from the backcast but soon becomes a push about mid-way. At that point the veegrip with the palm facing away puts a huge bend in the bottom of the rod which is the potential for the upcoming power snap to release the beast into the line.

I can push much more potential energy into the blank with a vee grip, particularly when spey casting. It does however seem natural and advantageous for overhead casting the Atlantis as well, and you may find this to be the case as well.

When you try it, give it some time. The hand will naturally seek it's comfort zone and if it's like my hand it really feels comfortable in that position.

I also noticed that when I go cast my trout single hander for practice after about 100 casts my hand naturally seeks to swivel palm forward to reduce the strain on the base of the thumb.

Another observation is that when backhand casting in a crosswind the hand settles on a knuckle forward position but with the same contact points on the hand-cork. In effect this is 180 degrees from the strong side vee grip, a reverse vee grip.

I will show you at Boneclave if interested.
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