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Old 03-20-2004, 07:28 AM
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Thumbs down Windmills in Nantucket Sound

I won't sugar-coat my opinion here, the windmill proposal sucks.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for windpower! But not over 28 square miles of Nantucket Sound.

Why not in OTIS Air Force Base???? It's...

1) already secure

2) land-based

3) none of us can see it anyway

4) none of us can use it anyway

5) will not pollute our waters during maintenance of metal objects over salt water 24/7 environments by boat (what a joke!)

6) will prevent private exploitation and extortion of energy dollars at a higher cost while f**king up our sound for their own purposes

7) Cheaper to build, cheaper to maintain and less cost to consumers.

Worst of all, this is a private enterprise wanting to become ridiculously rich by exploiting public waters by selling "green" power at a higher cost back to the people they screw.

DON'T FALL FOR THIS CRAP! I hope the good people of New England do not fall for this scam. Just look at trees - the 'renewable resource' out in the pacific northwest. Not one old growth tree has ever been regrown as they take 750-1000 years to regrow and we are cutting them as thin as 100 ft tall toothpicks for paper mills which dump dioxin into the waters in a country that reads approx. 2% of what we print... 98% of all that devastation is for NOTHING. We owe it to the earth to have a conscience, although you won't see me chaining myself to a tree anytime soon it's about being an honorable sportsman. Recycle, don't subscribe to newspapers unless you really read them, and see the business drivers that are behind these initiatives.

Or hydroelectric dams on the Columbia River... the greatest salmon environment in the universe brought to it's knees and the salmon population reduced to 11-13% of it's size since the 1930's! Entire populations destroyed.

Did you know that in recent years tens of millions of dollars from civilian rate payers went to subsidize the electricity bills of major aluminum companies who consume huge gulps of the dams energy while they fricasee the salmon with turbines?

Take a look at the little dams on the Merrimack - they've completely wiped out all anadramous activity above Lawrence except for the efforts of guys like John Greenwood who is clinging to hang on to the funding to keep society believing that there once was a great run of Atlantics... stripers, sturgeon, all kinds of fish running clear up to Bristol NH from the sea wiped out. Most people are oblivious to the fact that the Merrimac was once one of the greatest angling rivers in America... can you imagine if we had a giant salmon run in the river today... that fishery would be worth tens of millions each year to local businesses, like Pulaski but right here and stretching all the way up to the headwaters of the Pemi near Newfound Lake and into tributaries, etc.

The Connecticut River is another casualty of "progess" and clean power... oh to have these two major salmon rivers back!

Otis makes way too much sense, doesn't it? They'll never go for it. Maybe I need to start an organization for the private entreprenuers who are trying to take over the sound...

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Just goes to show ya that in todays type of capitalisim even big companies will exploit green if there is money to be made. And goverment won't listen to anything but the green big companies put in certain political coffers.
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Well said....sad but true
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Two years later and still no consideration for OTIS as a site for wind power?

The only thing good about the water-based plans is that it has not succeeded. I hope the greed never prevails.
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I think the problem with putting them at Otis or another inland location is that we don't get enough wind here in the Northeast to justify that. But I'm not an expert on wind power so feel free to poke holes in my theory.

I also wonder about what the resulting differences in bird and bat kills are from putting them inland versus out to sea.

I watched a very interesting program about people who get paid to install solar panels on the roofs of their houses, then get paid for the extra electricity they generate when it gets fed back into the grid. People were regularly paying less than $10/month for electricity. This was out in Seattle. The also talked about it in German towns where it's apparently very common. Makes perfect sense to me.
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Old 05-31-2006, 11:29 AM
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On land you can put more, taller, more servicable units and use the power in much more affordable infrastructures than in salt water. I would wager that the power generation potential is not only increased but return on investment is much higher, which is more important in the long run as the sea structures fall apart and rot in the salt.

Otis is massive and off limits to us civilians, and is contaminated with hazardous wastes. Why not put it to good use. I don't believe there is any evidence to support the theory that there is insufficient wind 700 ft above Otis property and the potential is to raise them much higher than the water-based which are 670ft tall and partly underwater.

I like the solar idea. It gives me an idea which I need to look into...
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Otis wind power

I live roughly 4 miles from Otis ,my property sits 60 ft above Mashpee-Wakbey lake,there is about a mile length of water which allows the wind to blow unobstructed from the south southwest, the average wind speed from the southwest ,which is the predominate late spring, summer and fall wind direction is somewhere in the 15 -25 mph range.I can't believe a wind tower in excess of 200 ft would not be in a much stronger wind flow over on otis.
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