I meant 1960's, not 1860's. Actually I did a more indepth post on the NW fishing site I mod the flyfishing area. I let everyone know that since these had metal eyes they were made in the 20th century. But like I said, person I bought them from said they were tied from about the 1960's to present. But nice flies nonetheless. I was give QUITE the tutorial about what makes a classic Atlantic Salmon fly by a few guys in the UK. So got it pretty down pat now.