Thanks for all the helpful suggestions and tricks of the trade. I'll try to get to tying some new flies this weekend and 'give it a go again' Sounds like materials and handling
the hackle a little differently will help.Maybe some day we as a group will have our act together enough to source good material collectively. Probably would shorten the learning curve on some of these less mainstream fly types.
If I can get one to look right, I'll post it.
Thanks for the help.