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Old 01-14-2005, 08:55 PM
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Peter,
Thanks for explaining the Skagit line system. I have been interested in it and seeking information. From what you wrote, it looks very simular to what was done with lines for single handed rods in that part of the country years ago. In fact I think RIO used to make some but, the market was to small to keep producing it. This is very simular also to lines I have spoke with SA about for single handers............but more for "dribbling" or bottom bouncing a streamer, rather than swinging.

I appreciate these type topics and find them interesting here are some thoughts.

In my oppinion the "system" looks like it is built for ........quarter cast upstream .......deep drift to ........quartered down. Rather than a down & accross type swing. It does not matter if a tips is 3' long or 30' long if it's lets say 6" per second stuff. The 3 footer goes down no slower than the 30 footer in still water. In current casts upstream (near dead drift down) they are still both about the same........but, a longer tip will line fish that a shorter tip wouldn't............hence the short (for out west )10' heavy tips and thats why they appear to be a "quarter up to quarter down deep drift rig".........to me. Because the big differance in the two exact sink rate tips comes when fishing downstream. The longer tip holds the fly down in downstream current much better, as in downstream swinging.

The other thing I have found with this theory is the "hinge factor" which is wanted as you noted here . "They’re intended to produce a hinge at the level belly – head loop, drooping the tip sharply downward to fish slots and boulder gardens". (again looks like a quarter to quarter drift rig because its sure not going to hinge much hanging down in the current)
I have found that there is little hinge once in the water at the loop, unlike when casting over head in air, water has viscosity. A portion of the fat belly including the wanted "hinge loop" gets pulled under. The hinge is more of a slight angle because of the weight distribution accross the tip (poor spelling... oh well) than a hinge as wanted. With a indicator rig, there is space .........mono, between the belly and the indicator. From there the shot is several feet from the indicator with mono in-between, rather than distributed accross the tip (sink tip) right up to the fat belly which is trying to act like a indicator.
I have worked with SA and personally built many versions of simular lines for single handed rods including reverse tapers and bullet heads.

In the end my conclusion was for the Great Lakes just use a weighted fly and or shot on mono and cut back a fat belly GPX type line a few feet. Out West it may not be enough to get down............hence the T 14, or lead shot make be illegal. Here you would just not use 10' of T 14. How many grains is that ? Casting wise.............not much differance.........both have some kick. In fact on a single hander anyways it is probably less with the shot if one builds a nice stiff heavy butt leader. I could see it maybe on the Niagara.............but, those guys are using copper tubes and long leaders mostly.

You could use that system in the Great Lakes with lighter tips or you can just use a weighted fly , shot etc. It's not that exstreme nor hard to "get down" in the Great Lakes region............................thankfully. To me anyways .........it may be needed to dredge with out West in certain rivers............but not here. I will wait until line tech. develops further for now. Again thanks.........I was trying to figure what this Skagit lines were. It's a new western two handers name for a old select western single handers tip system................been around a long time.

Just some thoughts...............fun stuff

Last edited by h2o; 01-14-2005 at 08:55 PM.
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