Thanks Juro for your input. I will probably go to NC in the year 01 or 02. I have two kids in college so an Able is out of the question. Maybe a Tigoa or Lampson Lp3.5 will fit the bill. I don't know the age of your kids but save your money and take all the trips you can now. I could have a nice 20ft Pathfinder and several Ables for price of the college tution however, such is life. Thanks again for your help hope to fish with you and the gang next year.