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KerryS 06-14-2002 05:00 PM

Happy Fathers Day
to all us fathers out there. Everyone, enjoy your weekend. I'm going fishing.

"We belong to the earth. The earth does not belong to us."

Hey Plunker, do you know who said that?

Nate Bailey 06-15-2002 02:56 AM

"Let them have dominion over the fish of the sea , and the over the fowl of th air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth".
You Know Who Said That;) Happy Fathers Day.....Nate

juro 06-15-2002 05:46 AM

I agree completely with chief Suiattle.

Happy Father's Day to all dad, we're taking a group from the Big Brother Assn. out to experience a primitive beach island and some stripe fishing on a day I would imagine is a little empty - Father's Day - for little brothers.

Some will get a power tool, other's a card and dinner - we will get satisfaction, pride and the memories of these kids smiles and you can't put a price on that.

Plunker 06-17-2002 12:57 AM

Yes. Very beautiful and inspiring words.

Thanks Kerry! I spent considerable time during the weekend thinking of my father who is now deceased but always with me in spirit. How kind and wise he was. He once found a skunk with it's leg caught in a steel jaw trap and talked to the poor creature reassuring it enough to allow him to release it without making a stink.

He was raised by an Ojibwa (Chippewa) chief who taught him the ways of the earth. I learned to hunt with a hand made ash bow and hand made arrows given to me at a quite young age. I was taught to listen to the world around and within me, to the squirrels and birds and the wind and brook and to my heart. If one is in tune with the earth it will tell you where to look for game and where to cast to a fish and when to be alert for danger.

I was also taught to never kill or injure one of God's creatures except for food or to protect my loved ones and myself.

Although the words "We belong to the earth. The earth does not belong to us." are commonly attributed to an 1854 speech by Chief Seattle (Noah Sealth) it seems that in truth they were composed in 1972 by screenwriter Ted Perry for a documentary about the environment.

A different version of the speech (said to be verbatim as translated by a Dr. Henry Smith) was published by the "Seattle Sunday Star" on October 29, 1887. It has since been shown that Dr. Smith probably composed that rendition completely on his own.

The true text of Chief Seattle's speech as given to Governor Stevens at Point Elliot on January 21, 1855 is recorded in the National Archives as follows:

"I look upon you as my father, I and the rest regard you as such. All of the Indians have the same good feeling toward you and will send it on paper to the Great Father. All of the men, old men, women and children rejoice that he has sent you to take care of them. My mind is like yours, I don't want to say more. My heart is very good towards Dr. Maynard [one of the founders of the city of Seattle]. I want always to get medicine from him."


"Be like the sunů It can only see the bright side of things." - Plunker

"Do we inherit the Earth from our Ancestors or borrow it from our Children?"

KerryS 06-17-2002 01:34 PM

Thanks Jim,

Once again you have shed some light and given me more knowledge.

We both know we don't agree on all things. I hope we can respect each others views.

Another quote from someone we all know.

"I have been, all my life, what is known as a conservationist. It seems clear beyond possibility of argument that any given generation of men can have only a lease, not ownership, of the earth; and one essential term of the lease is that the earth be handed down on to the next generation with unimpaired potentialities. This is the conservationist's concern."--Roderick Haig-Brown--

fredaevans 06-17-2002 03:30 PM

One of the worlds greatest 'reads' is Bill Spydell's
book "Sons of the Profits." (Profits, as in money) The book is totally tounge in cheek about the early history of the City of Seattle and a must read. Our Doc Maynard was also the town drunk. Ever wonder why all the streets in downtown Seattle follow Elliot bay and everything else is on a north-south axis?

There really was a "slid row."

Wonderful read .... even the forth or fifth time.

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