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sean 03-11-2002 10:47 PM

30 bonefish flies in the past three days
Striblue I am coming for ya...

Quick question about the wings on the gotchas and crazy charlies.

What is a good length for these things. All the sites I have vistied all have different ideas. Mine are about 2 1/2 times the hook shank.

Is that OK or does it really matter? Figure I can always trim them back....


striblue 03-11-2002 11:27 PM

Sean..good to have the competition.. I finished 140 of Dick Browns 150 in his book... I am no expert but the wing lengths should be be about what you have done... although the gotchas and Charlies seem to extend only one hook length from the bend of the hook.. (2X the hook length).. for examole the original crazy or Nasty Charlie uses white hackle tips , with the dumbell tired right in at the eye of the hook... all silver flash for body and tail covered by a wrap of 15 pound mono... while the later, and more popular one, from Charles Perkins.. uses craft fur or calf tail,,, pearl flashabo for tail and body with clear v-rib for the body... the eye is tied a bit down from the eye.

Eddie 03-12-2002 08:33 AM

errr..Charlie Perkins is one of Lee's Bahamien children?
It seems that the wings on Gotchas/Charlies are getting longer. Some guides/FFrs in the Keys, Bahamas and Xmas island are tying them almost three times the length of the shank. Almost like a slider. Can't hurt to try.

fisheze 03-14-2002 07:04 AM

I think it depends on the size of the bonefish that you're going after. For the Bahamaian bonefish, I usually tie on a wing that goes just beyond the hook shank. A friend of mine took some of the longer ones but eventually ended up trimming the wing back a little.
Also, try it with a small clump of ginger bunny fur. Works great for me. I also do a version of a bonefish bitter. I tied the rubber legs more horizonally and I use the ginger bunny. Works great!


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flymandan 03-25-2002 10:20 AM

I like to make my wing a little longer. I also like to use the shrimp colored new fiber called Polar Fiber. It is softer than the craft fur and has as much breathing action as the rabbit fur.

pmflyfisher 03-25-2002 12:30 PM


Some guy up in Michigan says he has been killing the steelhead on bonefish flies this spring. Could be they are like a comet steelhead fly. I am sure you will be able to use them for steelies after your florida trip. Give them a try.

Bonefishing looks better the cold michigan steelhead fishing I am going to partake of this spring. Looks real good wading in warm bahamian waters.

Snowing now in Chicago several inches on the ground and in the high 20s and blowing.

Spring must be here the end of this week I pray.


Eddie 03-25-2002 10:24 PM

The Crazy Charlie(aka.Nasty Charlie)was invented by No.Cal. steelheader and travel entreprenuer Bob Nauheim. I can't help but to think that he was influenced by the Comet and Boss flys that are so effective on the Russian and other coastal streams. I think that the Crazy Charlie ranks among the top five most significant Salt Water flies.

fisheze 03-26-2002 06:23 AM

Hi Dan

I also like the Polar Fibre material. I've used that in a lot of my backcountry flies. I don't think that I've come across the shrimp colored material yet. I bet that would be great on a Gotcha. I'll have to try that. Do they sell that in a light tan also?
I'm going to Eleuthera next month. That'd be a good place to test them out.

flymandan 04-17-2002 11:19 PM

The Polar Fiber comes in shrimp, and a champagne color that is nice on bonefish patterns.

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fisheze 04-18-2002 08:12 PM

Thanks Dan. I've ordered materials from your site before and I'll definitely include those colors in my next order.


juro 04-18-2002 08:35 PM


I think you have the wrong idea about the Flyfishing Forum, it's principles, and your participation as a business here.

We are a not-for-profit cooperative of flyfishing enthusiasts, professionals and businesses working together to improve the flyfishing experience for people who contribute to this cause.

I honestly believe we can increase the flyfishing experience in people's lives, and we already have for many!

But working together does not mean taking advantage and promoting business interests without contributing to the overall cost and burden of this resource.

For members there are lots of ways to contribute - their posts, friendship, humor, fund-raising, advice, etc. What people put in they get back.

For commercial interests the arrangement we offer is very affordable advertising sponsorship. I'm sure you've heard of this before on the wild, wild web. It's a win-win for both of us! We love our sponsors, and because we are not-for-profit the rates are really low.

Meanwhile the site costs are going higher and higher as traffic increases. We spend countless hours maintaining and upgrading this site, in fact we are in process of moving the entire site to a bigger server each night after our day jobs. We just can't let people view this community as a place to be taken advantage of. It's not fair to the members and other advertisers alike. Please refrain from this.

SO - If you would like to promote your offerings, commercial websites, products, etc - please contact me about sponsorship. It's getting harder and harder to keep the site running as it's growing so fast. It's not a place where you should come take advantage of the community by advertising without sponsorship.

Your openly promotional posts have been moderated until we work out all the details.

Hope to hear from you soon.


fisheze 04-19-2002 06:45 AM

Hi Dan

Can you please send me a private message with your website address again?
B]...Because I'm a flyingfishing enthusiast who would like to improve my flyfishing experience by tying better flies. [/B] :-)

If you're not allowed to do that, I think I recall seeing your link on the FloridaSportsman forum. I'll find it.

For now, I've got some of the white polar fibre so I'm going to tie that on a couple of Gotchas and try it out on the white sand flats of Eleuthera next week. I'll let you know how it does for me.


juro 04-19-2002 07:25 AM

You got part of it right, Angie - except for the selective omission of the "contributing to the cause" part. :rolleyes:

A N Y W A Y... Polar fibre is a common material you can get from any of our sponsors, in the short or hard to find long length. It's hardly an 'exclusive' material. Just click on any banner ad (for a flyshop ad) and it will take you to a sponsors site.

-ale 04-19-2002 08:55 AM

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Juro –

This is your forum. You can run it anyway you wish. I respect that and this will be my final post here.

It is amusing that you find it necessary to selectively moderate post. Seems that some are more ‘commercial’ than others. Oh well, that’s your choice.

What’s really a hoot are your inconsistent statements like:

Juro [this thread]
"We are a not-for-profit cooperative of flyfishing enthusiasts, professionals and businesses working together to improve the flyfishing experience for people who contribute to this cause.”

Juro [Keys/Andros Report thread]
“Yes, so keep coming to the FORUM and clicking away... get that traffic up there and the sponsors happy so we can buy that shack and it will be our time-share!:smokin: ”

So Juro, what cause do your sponsors contribute to? Just how reliable are your traffic statistics for your advertisers?

My apologies to Juro and the other forum members if this post sounds mean. It isn’t meant to be. It’s just a friendly parting gig.

Juro, let me know next time you get to Florida. I’d be happy to guide you for a day of sight fishing snook, reds, seatrout and possibly tarpon.

Best, wishes,
www- moderated for Juro by Alan –

striblue 04-19-2002 10:56 AM

I think all that Juro is trying to do is to keep the forum Discussions free of vendors filling up the discussion threads. Most of the time an e-mail works anyway. I also know that this policy is not issolated to this forum. Sponsors get space in exchange for funds to keep this going... there are also contributions from members.... and, some sponsors pay by offering services to the members... not just Juro.. I think Flymandan was just naturally responding to someone he knew, but he has only 2 posts on this site. I find it difficult to understand why you would react the way you have.

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