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Eugene 11-23-2001 10:54 AM

Why use up-eye hooks?
In the "Loop Dropper?" thread on the steelhead board Skookum wrote of his dissatisfaction with up-eye hooks. I've run across that opinion before (including in Combs book -- the bible) and it makes sense that the gape of the hook would be moved away from the target during the initial grab if the tippet is tied directly to the loop of an up-eye hook, resulting in a shallower hook-set. So why are these the most widely used steelhead hooks? Looks? Tradition? Shouldn't straight-eye hooks be more effective?

juro 11-23-2001 02:03 PM

I think he also made the point that with loop eye hooks one should tie a double turle knot, which makes the tension as direct as possible and provides a very strong knot. Maybe it's not quite as strong as a palomar knot but I've never had a problem with turle knots on quality loop eye hooks for steelhead, and I never tie a knot to the eye unless it is a straight eye hook like a 200R for summer flies.

In summary, I think it's effectiveness over the centuries is based on the use of turle knots.

Eugene 11-23-2001 03:41 PM

I see your point (no pun), Juro.
I'm sitting here looking over a hook catalog; there are all sorts of shapes, sizes, and strengths of straight- and down-eyed hooks available these days. I guess that aesthetics and force of habit are the only reasons I'm seeing to use the up-eyed hooks. I hope I'm wrong because I've got loads of them.

mayflyman 11-24-2001 05:58 PM

turned up eye/
Maybe its turned up for better (deeper) penetration. The turned down eye does close the gap, slightly. With a toothy fish, this could be a problem.
I also think the barb's height closes the gap, I think the barb should be cut on the outside of the gap along with a straight or up-wards turned eye. This would allow maximum hook gap to be utilized with each hook.

Just my .05 worth, it was .02 before inflation. :rolleyes:

juro 11-24-2001 06:37 PM

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I meant to say that the loop eye hooks *do* have a purpose, and they have a very direct hooking path when tied with a turle knot... see image in attachment:

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