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juro 01-27-2000 12:49 PM

Two-handed rod program
(re-posted from stripers etc)

In order to obtain blanks for this project, I have been thinking of ways to go. Here's a proposal for those coastal flyfishermen out there...

For a rental fee of $5 / day, max $20 per 7 day week - we offer the use of the two-handed rods that we will build. The advance payment will be directly and wholly applied toward obtaining materials for these rods. Labor has been donated by members, and any materials not accounted for by pre-rental agreements will be donated by me and others who wish to do so.

<font size="1">In the event that the pre-paid rental fees would exceed the amount to be used for development of these rods, the fees iwll be averaged down over the available rental period through the season and refunded. In other words, in the unlikely event we get more money that we need, I will average the rental days down to refund people the difference of a few bucks to be fair.</font><!--1-->

Anyone interested? I will be the first renter, 1 week at $20.

Also - once the program is fully paid for the rods belong to the forum members, and they will be available for use free of charge for the asking once everybody is credited for their initial contribution.


juro 01-27-2000 01:17 PM

RE:Two-handed rod program
Additional note: Member and potential manufacturer donations are also in the works, reducing the overall cost model for this program. I just thought I would see what a sawbuck or two could do for members.

Let me know what you think!

Pete 01-27-2000 04:36 PM

RE:Two-handed rod program

I have built 10 conventional fly rods so far, and would be willing to lend a hand with some part of the project. I'd be very interested in learning the two handed cast and would also like to rent a rod for a week (for $20), so I guess you can count me in.

Free time is pretty short (school, job search), so I'd like to know how you see the building of the rods taking place? Would we all meet together, sort of like the tying clave that SSully has so generously setup and just go for it? Maybe this was covered already and I missed it. If it was, could someone could email the details and fill me in- (it was the first day of class and I'm a little burned at the moment



juro 01-27-2000 05:00 PM

RE:Two-handed rod program
Pete -

Thanks for your involvement. We would be building this beast down at the Rod Builder's Workshop with some of the best tools and the best hands... including yours. Aubert Smith, aka "Smitty" is one of the best around the east coast. He is located in Kingston MA just off the highway. He is also a Sage Pro, so if we go w/ Sage's Traditional Overhead blanks we can get it at pro price. This is not to say he won't work with whomever is involved, he will. He is just that type of guy.

Well, so far we have $40 in the can. Beats the heck out of nuthin! And we don't yet even know how much we'll need in the event other donations come thru. I know one thing - we need more than $40, but there's plenty of time at this point.

Let's discuss the program and post our plans as we go. So far, I have met with Smitty to open the topic. He graciously agreed to donate his expertise to the cause. We agreed that the first step was to acquire blanks which we will mock-up with cork tape and temp guides. We may have to cut certain blank, we may not. This decision will follow analysis of available options.

Once we are confident that a configuration is worthwhile, it will be wrapped formally and guide / seat selection will be made. It will be a professionally finished, aesthetically beautiful rod knowing Smitty and others like you who have built many rods.

One of the key points is that this is not a Spey rod. It is a specialized two-handed surf machine. I will probably fund the line research out of pocket unless we get enough support. I have a few lines that I know cast well in this fashion already.

In any case, we should probably post an operating plan for people to review, to feel comfortable about buying into.


marvin 01-27-2000 07:22 PM

RE:Two-handed rod program
If the rod rental comes with at least 5 minutes of instruction in how to use other than a one-handed rod, I'm in. Checks to you at the shop?


ssully 01-27-2000 10:18 PM

RE:Two-handed rod program

To quote you. "One of the key points is that this is not a Spey rod. It is a specialized two-handed surf machine."

I have to plead ignorance on the difference. When you have time please explain this. Twenty bucks is short money so I don't have a problem with that you can count me in. My main issue as I expressed before is time. So I can't commit to the building process at this time.

Hopefully we can have the chance to fish "these machines" together.

juro 01-27-2000 10:40 PM

RE:Two-handed rod program
Absolutely! Anyone who rents it for a week gets at least a morning or evening of chucking it with me and/or others who have the knack. It won't take long to get evangelists to show others, and so on, and so forth... Remember how Jay Horton felt after the outer limits clave, and after talking to Lefty?

In fact this has a ceremonial sound to it. Don't forget that Tony Stetzko has told us he's interested in trying this thing out too. Maybe my good freind Sean Fields can shuttle us out to the Orleans side of Nauset Inlet one evening and we'll make an evening of it.

To answer the question - rentals come with instruction from myself or another evengelist like myself. Believe me, it's the easiest cast you'll ever make.

Also anytime we go down to Smitty's, you're all welcome to come on down. Once the wraps are on it'll be time to throw lines on them and tune. If you can't make it to the rod building sessions, no worries! Some who are avid rod builders wouldn't miss this part. Others will learn from this project and become rod builders. Some just want to try the rod! Takes all types.

Thanks for getting involved, let's keep the pace up and I will start tracking this officially.


Pete 01-28-2000 07:35 AM

RE:Two-handed rod program

Thanks for the reply back so quickly. I would not wnat to miss going down and seeing Mr. Smith and his shop and seeing how he works his craft, for me that would be almost as exciting as learning this new fishing technique. Definitely count me in, as Marvin asked - should we send checks to the shop?


juro 01-28-2000 08:06 AM

RE:Two-handed rod program
Tom has been good enough to let us use the shop address for the fly swap, I think we might use Smitty's shop this time. Let me ask him about it and I will let you know.

Another option is to set up an account, but that would still require people to do the banking stuff. Let me think this one over a little.

Ideas are welcome!

marvin 01-28-2000 09:17 AM

RE:Two-handed rod program
Do you have any idea as to when the wrapping will happen? I figure I've got fly tying down pretty well at this point, but would love to watch somebody else throw guides on a rod before I screw up my own blank


josko 01-28-2000 09:48 AM

RE:Two-handed rod program
I'm in. $20 for a shot seems like a great deal. I'll volunteer to run a couple of early sharking trips to Cox's ledge or somesuch where we can all see how they cast and pull on fish. I'm game to go out as early as reasonable , but June 1 is probably the earliest realistic date.

Nice thing about early sharks, if they won't eat, you can just clip a fly on to their dorsal fins.

juro 01-28-2000 03:17 PM

RE:Two-handed rod program
To capture the duplicate thread's responses before I move the topic...

(1) timwatts wrote:

Juro I would like to try one out. I have been using a st croix 11 weight spey for a couple years now. It's a bit heavy and is not much fun with smaller fish, have been thinking about getting perhaps a nine weight.I do enjoy casting this type of rod and may actually take the time to learn to cast the traditional way with it this year. But it is so easy to haul back overhead and toss 90 feet of line that I never get around to practicing.



Hey TIM!

Great to see you made it. I have a 9wt 12.6' sage, european overhead - pretty close to the need but would still like a little shorter, little heavier more focused two-hander for the big surf. The three other Spey rods don't see too much salt, they are for steelies out west.

In any case, your experience makes your involvement all the more critical! Very glad to have your insights on the matter.

I am going to move the duplicate of this thread from the main forum to here. That will wipe out your initial reply as well as this one I'm writing now, but there was a pretty long string of replies on the other thread and we should have it represented in stripers and coastal gamefish.

Look for the changes later on today, you might post any further comments on the other one.

Sorry about the mix-up, in the future I will not duplicate threads

Look forward to your valuable insights in this forum. We will be meeting at Smitty's shop to build the rods over the next several weeks. You are welcome to attend all phases of this.

glad to have you in the forum,

(2) ronl wrote:

Juro- Sounds like a good idea especially for some one who is interested but scared off by the big price tag of these rods. Would there be some instruction for those who don't have a clue about casting the ultimate long wand? rel

juro 01-28-2000 03:23 PM

RE:Two-handed rod program
Ron -

Yes instruction will be included in the rental program. It looks like Tim Watts will also be an experienced instructor, and I expect as easy as it is (no double hauling or false casting) the instruction will be fairly simple. The concerns are to cultivate new two handed line holding skills, which will become automatic quickly and are a lot easier than some of the other concepts mentioned.

One of the high priorities of this is to come up with very affordable options for the big surf sticks.

Glad to have you on board!

ronl 01-29-2000 09:50 AM

RE:Two-handed rod program
Juro- I'll keep checking in and i'm interested.rel

Hawkeye 01-29-2000 06:11 PM

RE:Two-handed rod program
I and my 20 are in. Ever since the Outer Limits clave my brother and I have been dreaming about two handed surf rods. It looks like it will be my next rod purchase or by the sounds of it I may have to take up rod building.

Tight Lines,


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