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petevicar 09-03-2008 12:58 PM

Fishing Regulations Gaspe
 
I am off to Gaspe in a couple of weeks and I am trying to get my gear together.

Can I fish with sinking or intermediate lines?
Can I use sink tips?


Can I use flies tied on brass or aluminium tubes?
Can I use weighted flies?

Thanks in advance.

Pete

salmonguy 09-03-2008 01:26 PM

Gaspe
 
Hi petevicar,

My understanding reading the regulations is you must use rods equipped with unweighted lines with only one artificial fly, not sure about tubes with metal bodies?

Here is a link to the regulations.

https://www.mrnf.gouv.qc.ca/english/...ions/index.asp

Alan (salmonguy)

Salar36 09-03-2008 08:15 PM

Can I fish with sinking or intermediate lines?
Yes, both of them

Can I use sink tips?
Yes

Can I use flies tied on brass or aluminium tubes?
Yes, both of them (for brass, confirmed twice by the MRNF on specific request about this)

Can I use weighted flies?
No, and no conehead

Green Ghost 09-03-2008 08:42 PM

Gaspe regulations
 
Interesting answers, A floating line is fair. A dry fly is a must. By the way, I believe it is No More than two hooks per fly (no Trebles). Is that correct?:confused:

petevicar 09-04-2008 01:31 AM

I am confused. Following Alan's (salmonguy) link I find this:

Fishing methods

In most salmon rivers or parts of salmon rivers mentioned in this publication, only fly fishing is authorized. In this case, when fly fishing, you must abide by the following rules:

you must use rods equipped with unweighted lines with only one artificial fly*;
artificial flie may be composed of a combination of hooks that takes into account the size of the hooks illustrated to actual size below; such flie must never have more than three points;
flie may have attachments made of silk, metal wire, wool, fur, feathers or a combination of these materials or other materials;
flie must not have spinning or waving parts, nor be equipped with weights to facilitate sinking;
flie must not be baited unless stipulated otherwise in this brochure.
* Outside the salmon sportfishing period, up to three artificial flies may be used when fishing for species other than salmon is authorized. However, when fishing in salmon river in Zones 23 and 24, you must always use single flies with a single, double or triple hook.


The biggest size of hook allowed when the flies is equipped with:
https://www.mrnf.gouv.qc.ca/english/...amecons_en.jpg
Note: There is no restriction on shank length.
When authorized, angling is practiced using a line equipped with lures, hooks or flies, baited or not. Hooks may be single, double or triple. A lure or fly counts as a hook. A line must not have more than three hooks
.


Therefore I assume that an "unweighted line" can be a sinking line but it can not have any additional weight on it.


Treble hooks are allowed but less than size 6.
I am not sure how to interpret this "flie may have attachments made of silk, metal wire, wool, fur, feathers or a combination of these materials or other materials;
flie must not have spinning or waving parts, nor be equipped with weights to facilitate sinking".
Apparently flies may be tied with metal wire but no weights are allowed.

There is no mention of tubes.

Any further info would be a great help.
Thanks

Pete

Salar36 09-04-2008 05:30 AM

"how to interpret this "flie may have attachments made of silk, metal wire, wool, fur, feathers or a combination of these materials or other materials"

This is the definition of what is a fly used by the MRNF. The tube is considered to be the support of the fly and can be made with any materiel usually available on the market. To avoid it, the MRNf consire that they should eliminate any material with density hiher then water; welcome to plastic hooks!! As already mentionned, this specific point has alaready been validate with the regulation department of the MRNF, is required, I have a .pdf of this confirmation


"flie must not have spinning or waving parts, nor be equipped with weights to facilitate sinking".
You are right


"I assume that an "unweighted line" can be a sinking line but it can not have any additional weight on it."
Exactly. But the current conditions doesn't required sinking lines, it may change, but a floating line is usualy used and much better seen by other anglers. A full sinking in the middle of a holding pool in low water is not exactly a good option to meet new friends

Another comment. This is fine for 2008, but everybody should look at 2009 regulation, since there are a lot of changes to come (expected in 2008 in fact, but not applied yet).

Fontinalis 09-04-2008 09:50 AM

I had many of the same questions before I started fishing in Gaspe several years ago. The answer you get to most of these questions can change depending on who you talk to (especially about things like brass tubes).

To be honest, in all of the rivers I've fished there (York, Dartmouth, St. Jean, Petite Casc., Bonny, Nouvelle) I've never actually needed anything other than a floating line and flies tied on single or double salmon irons. I did get a couple of grilse using plastic tubes with the tippet coming through the side (sort of the equivalent of hitching a traditional fly). In typical fall conditions, the water will be clear and not too high, and the salmon certainly see the fly. I've had fish rocket off the bottom in very deep pools to grab very small flies fished from floating line in Sept. This year, the water might be higher than normal for fall, but probably not higher than early June. Even then, I use only floating lines with great success.

I have seen several anglers fishing with sink tips and even full sink (!) lines during very low flows in Sept in years past. They drag big flies through pools stacked with fish, and certainly their aim is to snag or at least floss fish. Definitely not sporting. :mad:

Salar36 09-04-2008 10:22 AM

"The answer you get to most of these questions can change depending on who you talk to (especially about things like brass tubes)."

In fact if you asked the question to the right person, you should have only one answer ;)

Jean Pierre Dorion, Ministère des Ressources Naturelles et de la Faune, Quebec City. He is the man who provided the legal advice about the brass tube. Last year, Paul Mariner wanted to validate this information and had axactly the same answer than I.

petevicar 09-04-2008 11:32 AM

Thanks for all your help guys.
I am certainly not interested in snagging fish and I understand about low water and holding pools.

i have just had a week fishing in Iceland, using a floating line with an intermediate tip and the an add on sinking tip. I mostly used tube flies, some tied on 1" brass tubes.
I caught 63 fish in 6 days, lost about another 50 and did not snag any. The reason for the brass tubes was to get the fly down in fast moving water.

Pete

Venture 09-04-2008 01:14 PM

You will have a hard time finding fast water for your brass tubes on the Gaspe right now. Unless we get some decent rain here, your one inch brass tube flies will virtually sink to the bottom.

Our river along with most others are quite low and fishing a sink tip here will label you as a poacher or what we call a "sink tipper". You don't want to fish this river with a sink tip if you want to make friends.

Although it is common practice to fish sink tips, weighted flies and tubes in places like Norway, Russia and perhaps Iceland, it is frowned upon in these parts. "Sink Tippers" in these parts have honed their skills as great poachers and known for sticking fish right through there mouths. If you use a sink tip or brass tube on the Matane you will be ridiculed and accused of being a poacher. Regardless of the exact wording of the laws, the "fishing spirit" on most of the Gaspe is carried out with floating lines exclusively, along with unweighted wets and drys.

ABFFA 09-04-2008 01:25 PM

I am off to Gaspe in a couple of weeks and I am trying to get my gear together.

Can I fish with sinking or intermediate lines?
Can I use sink tips?


Can I use flies tied on brass or aluminium tubes?
Can I use weighted flies?

Thanks in advance.

Pete

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Your question would be more appropriate for spring conditions.

Don’t complicate yourself.

You are at the end of the season, the salmon are mostly all stack in the holding pools, the water level in low and the temperature can be hot.

So go light weight 6,7, 8 weight, lots of dry flies and # 8,10,12 and smaler single or doubles wet flies, are a must.

But just in case, those tube can be effective if Gaspé receives some left over’s from those big storms in the USA, so that rain can and will bring new fish in, especialy on the Dartmouth.

Enjoy the Gaspé.

Champ186 09-04-2008 05:43 PM

63 fish:Eyecrazy: :Eyecrazy: :Eyecrazy: Holy moley you wont be doing that in the Gaspe in 6 days. Whar rivers are you fishing in the Gaspe?

Green Ghost 09-04-2008 07:33 PM

Gaspe Regulations
 
Nice Work Howie!!!!

The regulations should be clearer.

One can buy lines that drop at greater than 1 foot per second without any additional weight, no problem, Probably very easy to land a fly on a fishes back and "accidently" become attached. :tsk_tsk:

The discussion is now about Ethics and Care for the survival of the fish!

I hope 2009 regulations are more conservation minded.

Brass tubes are for Fijords!!!!!!!!!

petevicar 09-05-2008 01:49 AM

Thank you again for all the info.

Pete

petevicar 09-05-2008 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Venture
You will have a hard time finding fast water for your brass tubes on the Gaspe right now. Unless we get some decent rain here, your one inch brass tube flies will virtually sink to the bottom.

Our river along with most others are quite low and fishing a sink tip here will label you as a poacher or what we call a "sink tipper". You don't want to fish this river with a sink tip if you want to make friends.

Although it is common practice to fish sink tips, weighted flies and tubes in places like Norway, Russia and perhaps Iceland, it is frowned upon in these parts. "Sink Tippers" in these parts have honed their skills as great poachers and known for sticking fish right through there mouths. If you use a sink tip or brass tube on the Matane you will be ridiculed and accused of being a poacher. Regardless of the exact wording of the laws, the "fishing spirit" on most of the Gaspe is carried out with floating lines exclusively, along with unweighted wets and drys.

Hi Venture

I felt I must point out to you that I only fish with sinking lines and brass tubes when the river conditions make it necessary. I much rather fish with dry flies.
I hope that you were not insinuating that I may be a "poacher" because I would be very unhappy about that. :tsk_tsk:
I have fished all over the world for many different species and feel that I am an experienced angler. I have fished for atlantic salmon all over Europe and in a few Canadian rivers. I respect local traditions and am more than just interested in conservation.
However I do not wear blinkers and the purpose of going fishing is to catch fish.

Pete


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