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Penguin 02-28-2008 01:27 PM

Tuffleye alternative to epoxy...
 
'Trying out the "Tuffleye Kit" I got from Scott the Bear's DenMeister...
'Still dealing with the post cure tacky phenomenon...
An alcohol buff followed by Hard-As-Nails seems to make it right...
Ms Epoxie and I are still good phriendz but we're not "exclusive" any more...:roll:
SoFarSoGood...
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/a.../Tuffleye1.jpg
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/a.../Tuffleye2.jpg
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/a.../Tuffleye3.jpg
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/a.../Tuffleye4.jpg
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/a...Tuffleye5a.jpg
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/a.../Tuffleye6.jpg

Smcdermott 02-28-2008 03:06 PM

How does the cost compare? I know short money compared to gas, other gear etc...but I have a hard time spending $50+ for a UV flashlight and tube of dental grade adhesive when I can get the same amount of old fashioned epoxy at Benny's for $2.50. Am I right in the comparison there or has it come down?

Sean

Penguin 02-28-2008 03:57 PM

Enjoy the Benny's experience...
 
Buy the epoxy... ;)

FrenchCreek 02-28-2008 06:42 PM

I tested and demo'd the product a few weeks ago. At $85 for the large kit you are paying for the convenience of drying in 10 seconds Vs. regular epoxy. It does make for nice flies, as Pete has shown above. It is difficult to calculate how many flies one would get from the 30 CC of Core material, but my guess is the it would increase the cost Vs. regular 5 minute Epoxy. So how much is convenience worth?, a lot, to me, when I'm making several doz. flies at a time, otherwise follow Penguin's advice!

Smcdermott 02-28-2008 09:37 PM

If it is that quick it might be worth it. Saw a demo a few years ago at Marlboro and with the multiple steps that just didn't seem to be the case. I guess I didn't ask correctly if there really was a value proposition or if it was just a new gimmick. ;) Surprised if it is more efficient that I didn't see it at more tiers tables at the Edge show. There is a new competitor entering the ring who was at the Edge show so maybe we will get the best of both worlds.

Sean

jimS 02-29-2008 08:31 AM

Nice work Pete. I'm with Sean on the cost effectiveness of this product. I know BobPop is all over the use of Tuffflye, but... While the downside of 5-minute expoxy is its penchant to yellow, I find that when you can use 30-minute epoxy on a rotating wheel for some applications, the yellowing is postponed.

On some commercial patterns I've noticed over the years, a clear adhesive is used under and for attachment of large 3-D eyes I don't think it is exoxy or wrap coating for rodmaking. Anyone know what it might be?

striblue 02-29-2008 11:17 PM

Can any of you guys let me know if the stuff smells like epoxy and what is known about it being toxic, etc., etc. My room starts to smell after a lot of use of epoxy plus I am breathing that stuff in as I work. My late wife used to threaten to put me out in my garage to tie when I started with the epoxy. Thanks. PS. Pete, stop spitting on the tails of your flies...geez...gross!

Smcdermott 02-29-2008 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimS
On some commercial patterns I've noticed over the years, a clear adhesive is used under and for attachment of large 3-D eyes I don't think it is exoxy or wrap coating for rodmaking. Anyone know what it might be?

Jim,

I think a lot of tiers use Goop for that purpose. I also use it for head cement thinned with Toluol. Jeff Smith turned me on to that and it definitely is a nice way to customize the thickness based on the application. I keep a jar of thicker stuff for mushies and some thin stuff for basic head cement.

Sean

jimS 03-01-2008 08:36 AM

Thanks Sean for the info. I'll give it a try. I did notice last year that Jeff Smith made some flies with large 3-D eyes attached to the head with a clear substance. That must have been what he was using.

Penguin 03-01-2008 10:37 AM

Drain Bammage...
 
For some informative reading...
GOOGLE... "Toluene CAS#108-88-3"
:whoa: :eek: :Eyecrazy:
Emergency Overview
-------------------Toluene--------------------------
POISON! DANGER! HARMFUL OR FATAL IF SWALLOWED. HARMFUL IF INHALED OR ABSORBED THROUGH SKIN. VAPOR HARMFUL. FLAMMABLE LIQUID AND VAPOR. MAY AFFECT LIVER, KIDNEYS, BLOOD SYSTEM, OR CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM. CAUSES IRRITATION TO SKIN, EYES AND RESPIRATORY TRACT.

But...it's not really that bad once you build up some tolerance... :roll:

...Since my minor exposure, I have developed a curious third nostrel...
but, the good news, it's on the back of my head...sort'a like a snokel...
'makes for more convenient breathing with my face burried in a bowl of Cheerios!

A few drops of magic "T" mixed into some Aqua-seal, or Goop, (both of which contain, you guessed it, toluene) thins it out and promotes a very rapid cure while emitting an inordinate amount of unquestionably poisonous fumeage that would turn away even the likes of Timothy Leary, Keith Richards, and Guissepe Monsanto...
Enjoy the "trip"! ;)

striblue 03-01-2008 11:22 AM

Pete, I agree that I would not use touline and there has been countless discusions on that stuff over the years. As far as yellowing flies, I don't think it matters at all unless you want them for display. My recollection is that you try to quicken yellowing by placing flies on your dashboard. Again...can you tell me if there is any toxic effect or odor from the new stuff. Seems too expensive for the benefits. I am a slow tYer anyway.

Penguin 03-01-2008 11:57 AM

Better Living Through Chemistry...
 
The Tuffleye Acrylic jelly doesn't seem to have the volatile properties associated with Toluene...
It's contained, applied, and cured...all quickly and efficiently...I have not noticed any chemical warfare issues going on and I enjoy the process...
There is a post-cure residual surface tackyness that can be defeated with an alcohol swab rub down and an application of hard-as-nails to seal the issue...
...and besides all that...
IT'S FUN and I LIKE IT!

As far as Toluene is concerned...
It's sort'a like having your very own fly tyin' meth lab...NO WORRIES! (...NOT!) :tsk_tsk:
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/a...uChemistry.jpg

vtloon 03-01-2008 08:59 PM

Tufflye
 
Although applying it takes some getting used to, I like the stuff. You can use it in many ways: a full body, jumbo head cement; outer shell for a hollow fly effect; you can press a thumb into some styrofoam for an instant crab/MOE body mold..just hold the hook while you zap it with the light; lots of possibilities. The thing I like most about it is the near- instant feedback loop: when you screw up, you know it right away and move on.

Paxton 03-02-2008 10:50 AM

About a month ago I used the concoction of toluene and goop...one part toluene and 3 parts goop.....nice, clear easy working material.....will never use it again. Even using in in the garage with all doors open...the smell gave me a headache and a sickening feeling in my stomach......to me....catching fish with a nice fly is not worth death or at the least damage. Also, I'm not sure that the fish would be as appreciative of the coating as I was. They are just going to have to eat my regular flies from now on.
Ron

Guernseybass 03-03-2008 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimS

On some commercial patterns I've noticed over the years, a clear adhesive is used under and for attachment of large 3-D eyes I don't think it is exoxy or wrap coating for rodmaking. Anyone know what it might be?

At the Bearsden show I noticed two guys using pen sized battery powered cauterisers to make holes in the heads of flies which they filled with zap a gap before pushing in the eyes.


Mark.


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