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Frogfish 01-21-2008 07:10 PM

Gelspun, Intermediate lines, and knots...Oh my!
 
Hey guys,

I plan on using 50# gelspun for a reel that I'll be using for heavy freshwater, and light-medium saltwater. How would you attach it to the arbor, and then to the flyline? Also, how should I wind Gelspun onto the reel?

Also, I'm looking for a good intermediate 11 or 12 wt fly line to be used exclusively in the surf and saltwater, for macks, jacks, tarpon, and spinner sharks. What do you guys suggest? Any good leader too?

Thanks!

Smolt 01-22-2008 04:39 PM

A splice called the "coaxial splice" developed by a fellow named Max Garth is an excellent way to connect the gel spun to your fly line. Go to Dan Blanton's website (Google his name) and search the archives for "coaxial slice". The technique used to be shown right on the site -- in the "Tackle and Techniques" section, but I couldn't open it when I just tried. You can find Max Garth's email address in a post dated on or about 3/10/2007. Email him and I believe he will send you the instructions.

Frogfish 01-22-2008 07:12 PM

Thanks Smolt!

petevicar 01-24-2008 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frogfish
Hey guys,

I plan on using 50# gelspun for a reel that I'll be using for heavy freshwater, and light-medium saltwater. How would you attach it to the arbor, and then to the flyline? Also, how should I wind Gelspun onto the reel?

Also, I'm looking for a good intermediate 11 or 12 wt fly line to be used exclusively in the surf and saltwater, for macks, jacks, tarpon, and spinner sharks. What do you guys suggest? Any good leader too?

Thanks!

To attach Gelspun to the reel use a 6 turn uni knot.

I attach my fly line to the backing with a loop to loop system. There are some posts on the forum about how to tie a loop on the end of the fly line. For the backing I use a 30 turn bimini. However it is possible that the gelspun can cut the fly line so I use a sheaf of dacron inside the bimini loop which then is in contact with the fly line loop. I can give you more details if you like.

SA make a good intermediate/sinker for the tropics.

As regard to leader, it depends on the species in terms of shock tippet. Most saltwater brands are OK. Some are thicker than others.
For tarpon you must use a thick abrasion resistnd tippet, for macks I prefer light wire, for jacks not so heavy.

Frogfish 01-24-2008 03:55 PM

For a large reel like an Danielsson HD 9-13, what would you suggest? 50 lb gelspun or 30 lb dacron? Again, mainly for whatever I may encounter in the salt...jacks, sharks, macks, cudas, tarpon, snook, trevally, etc.

juro 01-24-2008 04:59 PM

I use both 50# gelspun and 30# dacron.

I am starting to believe that the gelspun is superior on well designed reels like the HD for a few reasons:
  • You can practically measure the capacity in miles instead of yards, albeit more expensive it's a one-time cost
  • HD's are among the most palm friendly reels made meaning little risk of abrasion on the hands from gelspun cutting the hands when ripping out of the reel
  • Higher strength, lower diameter
  • Material composition resists mildew, mold and discoloration

Dacron is cheaper, hand friendlier and easier to tie knots with.

BTW I like the uni as well and double over the loop on the arbor before pulling tight. For smaller reels I use the standard arbor knot, also doubling the loop over the arbor.

Frogfish 01-24-2008 05:17 PM

Would it be better to go with, per say, the SA brand gelspun, or a line like PowerPro or BionicBraid?

Quote:

BTW I like the uni as well and double over the loop on the arbor before pulling tight
I know this may sound stupid, but what do you mean "double over the loop".

Is the coaxial splice worth it, or is it better to do the way Pete does it?

juro 01-24-2008 06:10 PM

instead of a single strand loop, fold the loop in half and double it over again so its around the arbor twice before pulling tight

Frogfish 01-25-2008 01:21 PM

Thanks juro!

jamie 02-28-2008 07:44 AM

When you pull it tight to the spool make sure it is real tight, nothing more frustrating that your backing spinning on the reel when you've got a 30lb chinook in fast water.

Sandman Caranx 04-29-2008 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamie
When you pull it tight to the spool make sure it is real tight, nothing more frustrating that your backing spinning on the reel when you've got a 30lb chinook in fast water.

I wind 3 turns around the arbor in the oppisit direction of wich the line is wound on, and use a modifide arbor knot, if all the backing is pulled of the reel, the moment you start to wind the reel the coils closes and grips the arbor. there is no way it will spin around the arbor ! works great with mono on conventional reels as well.

MartyG 01-09-2009 01:44 PM

Shock leader 60# Tippet to fly knot?
 
I purchased some pre-tied shock leaders for my 10 wt in the hopes of seeing some baby tarpon or permit when I visit Anegada next week. These leaders have a 60# tippet. As a trout and striper angler I'm used to 5x to 0x tippets but the 60# seems to be a much different animal. I could use some advice on the tippet to fly knot.

Thanks - Marty

JR SPEY 01-09-2009 03:17 PM

My suggestion would be the non-slip mono loop or the very similar Kreh loop. Though you'll need to practice a bit these knots are more than capable of being tied on 60lb. Don't try more than about three wraps after going through the loop and it'll close with a little help from your finger and thumbnails. Of course you can always resort to the 3 1/2 turn clinch knot (unimproved clinch knot.) This one is really easy but the fly doesn't behave as enticingly as it would with a loop knot. 60lb is perfect for most tarpon situations, but is not needed for permit. In fact, no shock leader is needed at all for permit. I use 15-18lb Grand Max fluorocarbon with a four foot tippet on a 12-15' leader depending upon the wind and to some degree the depth of the water.


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