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Eddie 03-22-2001 05:17 PM

I have come across a couple of ideas that make a difference. I think that this material can be very tough, but good knots can be iffy. Surgeon's knots looked especially dubious untill I came accross a Bill Nash idea that really works. He sais that a 5 turn surgeon's knot tests @ almost 100%. Even a 3 turn knot looks like crap, but he twists the two parallel tags 5 times befor he makes the 5 overhand turns. This causes the flourocarbon to seat in a perfect barrel shape. Nothing like a tidy knot to inspire confidence.
The other idea is to use silicone fly floatant to lube the knot as you cinch it down. Wow, I used to joke about marketing a special fly fishing spit surogate("use new SPIT! Perfect for when you are too sea sick or the breaking fish are rattling your nerves."). But try it, knots really cinch down tight. This is great for flourocarbon.

juro 03-30-2001 08:54 PM

Eddie -

Sounds like the multi-turn surgeon's / water knot is a winner for strength.

I use blood knots but find that even with flouro they add a visible spot with the added sheen and opacity. Do you find this with surgeon's knots w/ flouro?

(Have fun in Argentina!)

Hawkeye 03-31-2001 08:52 AM

I used flouro exclusively last season and tied my flies on with a clinch knot. I only had one knot failure all season. Spit works!

Nathan Smith 03-31-2001 06:58 PM

This is was I heard and have always followed. Fluro to mono have the fluro be one size larger and use two more turns then Mono to Mono. For instance I use Mono leaders and fluro tippet. I use a 6-8ft mono leader 10 or 12 lbs, and corrisponding 12 and 15 lbs Fluro tippet of 18-20 inches and use a 6 turn blood knot. I connect the leader by loop to loop to a 40lbs butt section of Mono nail knoted and super glued to the fly line. I have never ha any problems with this set up.

That surgeons sounds good though I am going to give it a try. The only think I don't like about a sugeons is that you have to run the whole line through the loop. With a 18" tippet this takes awhile where a blood is faster I think.

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