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Lefty 03-30-2001 12:15 PM

Lets' talk FLIES FOR TROUT
 
Ok time to gear up. I'm no entymologist. My limited knowledge get's me by but I want to expand it slowly.
What are your top 2 flies in each category? Please KEEP IT SIMPLE and short. A complicated discussion of aqautic insectea will be a bore and complicate things further.Give your fly and a short sentence why you use it.

<b>DRY FLIES:</b>
1. Adams- looks like a mosquito, everyone else sells them
2. Brown Caddis- only Caddis color I see in NE Ma. streams

<b>WETS:</b>
1. Woolly Bugger (black beeded)- works in ponds
2. Green or white Hornberg- Kicks but on Ma. hatchery trout

<b>NYMPHS:</b>

1. Gold wrapped Hares Ear- all I know, caught a few on it
2. Beeded Pheasant Tail- heard it works

<b>TERRESTRIALS:</b>

1. Hopper- Someone gave me some, besides- ever read "Big 2 Hearted River"?
2. Ants- someone gave me some

Terry

juro 03-30-2001 12:54 PM

RE:Lets' talk FLIES FOR TROUT
 
Terry -

Around New England you need to add:

bugs:
black gnat (dry)
and a gnat emerger

streamers:
smelt patterns - marabou smelt, ghosts, etc.
muddler variations

nymphs:
Beadhead tan biot stone - very effective for me
black biot stone

terrestrials:
I like to fish muddlers dry

GregS 03-30-2001 02:28 PM

RE:Lets' talk FLIES FOR TROUT
 
Terry,

This is difficult, condensing fly selection down to a couple for each category....
Your choices are great, I will not repeat but add a couple I find good in each category.


Dry Flies:
1. Compara Duns/sparkle dun - more of fly style than an individual. Vary the color and size to best match current mayfly hatch.
2. Elkhair/deerhair caddis - same as above

Wets (I would call these emergers):
1. soft hackle flies - color and size to match current insect hatch. Particular favorites pheasant tail and hare's ear, these match (well approximate) the color of many of the mayfly and caddis fly insect hatches that occur the first couple months of the season.

Nymphs:
1. Prince Nymph - works great, hard to beat the magic of peacock herl
2. Red fox squirrel nymph - started using this years ago following an article by Dave Whitlock, it just works.

Terrestrials:
1. Crickets
2. Beetles
3. Flying ants

Don't mean to overload you, but I said it would be hard to do....

Regards,
Greg Smith

Hawkeye 03-30-2001 07:36 PM

RE:Lets' talk FLIES FOR TROUT
 
These first four would be the flies I would choose if limited to only four.

Nymph types:

Bead head prince nymph
San Juan worm With the San Juan fished under the bead head you simply can not go wrong - definitely a go to setup

Dry:

With only two I say go with attractors
Royal Wulff
Royal coachman

Streamers:

I rarely use them ...
Grey ghost
egg sucking leach

Terrestrials

Black ant
Grass hopper

Lefty 04-02-2001 02:41 PM

RE:Lets' talk FLIES FOR TROUT
 
How about those Blue Winged Olives? Anyone use them?

Terry

Hawkeye 04-02-2001 03:32 PM

RE:Lets' talk FLIES FOR TROUT
 
I use the BWO frequently. In fact it is my second most used mayfly imitator following the light cahill. You should definitely have some in your box.

striblue 04-02-2001 03:55 PM

RE:Lets' talk FLIES FOR TROUT
 
Oh Boy... More flies to tye... I have done 350+ for saltwater... please ,please is the list above what should be tied because I am not able to start a rampage on trout flies... I've just got all the supllies for Bonefish(for next Years trip) and will do "ALL" of Dick Browns Bahama recomended flies... But the assortment of trout flies really seems daunting.. I know I could limit it at first.. I know I could... I know I could...I know I could.... I know I could... "SLAP" get back to reality,. Morin for god's sake.

Hawkeye 04-02-2001 05:18 PM

RE:Lets' talk FLIES FOR TROUT
 
Well John you would certainly have your work cut out for you if you do with trout patterns what you have done with saltwater patterns.

For a basic but still fairly inclusive fly box I would include the following:

Adams, 12, 16
Light Cahill, 12, 16
Blue Wing Olive, 12, 16
Royal Wulff, 10, 12, 16
Royal Coachman, 12, 16
Adams Wulff, 10, 12, 16
Elk Hair Caddis, tan and olive, 12, 16
Yellow Humpy, 12, 16
Baetis and PMD Comparadun, 16, 18
Tan, Cream, and Black Midge, 20, 22
Black Ant, 12, 16
Yellow Stimulator, 10, 14
Hopper pattern, 10, 14
Bead Head Hairs Ear, 12, 14
Bead Head Prince, 12, 14
Bead Head Pheasant Tail, 12, 14
San Juan Worm, 10, 14

And if you are going out west you would do good to tie up things like the bitch creek, the montana stone and various other stonefly types. There that ought to keep you busy. http://www.flyfishingforum.com/images/flytalk/Happy.gif

BTW if you are fishing nymphs with an indicator and the fish are occasionally hitting the indicator (it's happend to me many, many times) putting on a yellow humpy or stimulator will often bring that fish up.

striblue 04-02-2001 07:57 PM

RE:Lets' talk FLIES FOR TROUT
 
Thanks Hawkeye, maybe this will help me get a grip but I have every intention to set with the basics.

ssully 04-02-2001 08:02 PM

RE:Lets' talk FLIES FOR TROUT
 
Greg,

22 Midge's! HOHOHOHOHOHHAHAHAha.SNORT..hahahahahaHEHEHEHEheheh ehehe!
Homey don't tie those no mo! I'll just have to buy 'em.
All kidding aside I know they work but I can't see them anymore.

John,
I have some of those itsy bitsy teeny weeny dry fly hooks if you want some let me know.

artb 04-02-2001 08:37 PM

RE:Lets' talk FLIES FOR TROUT
 
Terry, You'll kill me but:

Dry flies best Blue Dun Hackle sise 12 to 18. midges sise #28

Wet flies Blue Dun Hackle

Nymph Sparrow, and Pheasant Tail

Streamer, My Trouteater patterns
I have 3 years of a fishing log, over 900 trout taken, most released , if interested I will have to look for my records.

John Desjardins 04-02-2001 09:19 PM

RE:Lets' talk FLIES FOR TROUT
 
This took me a while to bring it down to 8 flies so here goes. In order of confidence in their ability to catch fish they are.

1. Soft hackle wet. My favorite is a weighted # 14-16 hook with a body of peacock herl & 2 turns of webby blue dun hen hackle. Exceedingly simple to tie & very effective.

2. "Drowned" Adams size 16-18, a beat up adams dry fly that suspends 1-2 inches below the surface.

3. Pheasant tail nymph, with or without weight, or with a foam wing case. well may be this one counts as three patterns.

4. Hornberg tied dryfly style with a single wood duck flank feather folded over the top of the hook. This one can be fished dry or wet to imitate fish fry or a caddis. It is particularly effective as a wet fly when it rises to the surface at the downstream end of a drift.

5. Light Cahill dry

6. Black ant fished wet or dry.

7. Aussable Wulff #12-14 for pocket water and as an indicator fly for the soft hackle wet or PT nymphs.

8. A sparse caddis dry fly.

Just missing the cut were black nosed dace, muddler minnow, bead head PT nymph, Prince nymph, Blue wing olive dry & wet, an all white spinner and a march brown dry.

I have to add that I agree with Sully on tying midges. Buy tham at a shop near where you will fish rather than tying them its much easier, and you normally get better info when you spend some money in a shop.

striblue 04-02-2001 09:42 PM

RE:Lets' talk FLIES FOR TROUT
 
Thanks Sully, I can Hardly wait....now move closer to the screen, that's right ,closer. Are you about an inch away... good.. now I will give you twenty hooks like the ones you offered me...here they are--jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj. Like you Sully I like to call them "noseeums". Also Sully, could you pinch the barbs down for me before you send them. Here, I'll even lend you the pliers - Y

Hawkeye 04-03-2001 12:23 PM

RE:Lets' talk FLIES FOR TROUT
 
I'm with you 100%. In fact the cost of trout flies is low enough that for me it is cheaper in terms of materials and my time to just buy them. Hence I tie very few of my trout patterns and certainly not midges.

Brad 04-03-2001 12:23 PM

RE:Lets' talk FLIES FOR TROUT
 
You are having a laugh over size 22 midges, we just got back from the san juan and caught some real pigs on size 24 and 26 midge patterns. If you plan to fish the tailwaters out west these small sizes are an absolute must. We used thread midges, miracle nymphs and black sparkle midge emergers in 22 to 26 for the nymphing. We caught rising fish on stillborn midges size 24 with a size 26 RS-2 at the point. I'll post some pictures when they get in.

Brad


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