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Kieran 06-21-2005 05:13 PM

Best Gear
Although UK based and having spent 9 days fishing for blues and stripahs in the Cape I am now totally addicted and looking forward to next years trip.

I brought my 8 weight Xi2 with me coupled with a Loop Evotec 7/10 HD which was fine for the schoolies etc up to 10lb, but I found it difficult to fish surfside (chatham South Beach) and had concerns about whether I would land any fish greater than that mentioned.

I wont say money is no object, but as it is my 50th this year I would like to treat myself.

I feel inclined towards the Winston 5 piece XTR 9 wt coupled to a Tibor Everglades or Abel Super 9.

What do you think of my choice, can anyone suggest a more efficient/different spec?

I'd be very grateful to hear your comments


Penguin 06-21-2005 06:29 PM

Nemo...Good incentive and an interesting project!
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The reels that you mentioned are spot on...I'm sure others will lend further insight.
Juro, Eddie (a certified Gear Oracle of note) out there?!
Capacity, relatively impervious to salt, and both boast a proper gorilla drag...
Winston...a bit exotic?! Sage, Scott, and affordable TempleFork, to name a few...test drive first and consider customer service and repairability!

If there's no rush, I'd suggest you keep an eye on eBay as there are deals to be had...
Used rods can sometimes sport a minor ding that can compromise structure...snap crackle pop! Quality reels perhaps less of an issue.

Just a thought...
Since I am "forced" to reside full time on the PharSide of the canal, I'd be happy to hold for you any equipment orders until you arrive to properly baptize them!

juro 06-21-2005 09:09 PM

Well who could complain about such a nice setup!

To each his/her own of course but I much prefer to use a two-hander to deal with surf, not too long but long enough with the ability to reach over the waves and reduce the physical strain of dealing with those challenging conditions.

Kieran 06-22-2005 03:27 AM

Pete and Juro

Thanks for the input, Pete............good idea, I'll contact you again when I have decided what I'll buy, many thanks.

Juro, I'm not complaining about my outfit, I just wonder whether it might be a little under gunned. The reel is great but the 8 weight xi2 is at the lower end of capable, for the size of fish possible. Next year I'll bring that and another, not sure whether to go up one or two line weights.

I know that you are a devotee of the double handed rods, I regret that I know little or nothing about their appropriateness or ease of casting.

I'll have to read your posts to get a better insight and take the comments further.

A few persons in the UK use them for SWFF but they havent really taken off, YET!

It took me a year, lots of practice and two day long lessons to achieve respectable distances with my single hander (maybe I'm a slow learner!), would the same input be necessary to learn to use the double hander and what increase in distance could I expect. I currently cast a full WF fly line + couple of yards backing, in ideal conditions and a shooting head - a little further.


juro 06-22-2005 05:54 AM


My apologies I was using the expression "who could complain" which simply means WOW what a setup! Fantastic choice indeed, no complaint heard my friend.

I should have said 'I wish I owned such a fine setup myself' :D

As for two-handed rods they're not for everyone in the surf. Some like to work hard. ;)

FishHawk 06-26-2005 08:13 AM

I have a Winston BIIX 9wt and it a sweetheart of a rod. Plenty of muscle to land a big fish . The Tibor in my opinion is one of the best reels out there. I used to do machining and can tell you that the workmanship is flawless. FishHawk :smokin:

Greg Pavlov 06-26-2005 03:19 PM

If an 8 wt was my heaviest rod and I wasn't planning on buying more than one or
two more, I 'd get a 10 wt, not a 9. This year I used a Sage VPS. It's old tech but
it seems rugged and casts well enough.

I would go for a two-hander if I already had a single-hander in the 9/10 range.
While I can cast a hell of a lot farther with a two-hander, especially in rougher
conditions, I find myself preferring to *fish* with a one-hander when it is possible
to do so.

Kieran 06-28-2005 12:39 PM

Thanks guys for the info.

I've decided to keep the reel and just add a spare spool, but the rod seems a necessity.

I have several good 8 weight travelling rods and conclude that I shall need a 9 or ten weight single hander.

Torn now between a Winston or Xi2 (which I love), although I was impressed by Striblues Winston - both comparable in price although the W was a five piece and noticeably slimmer blank.

Alternatively, reading the reviews the TFO ticr X seems good as does the redington cps. Bearing in mind I'll probably only use the rods for 2 weeks of the year, should I err on the side of economy?. I do hate poor gear, do you get what you pay for?


baldmountain 06-28-2005 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by Kieran
Bearing in mind I'll probably only use the rods for 2 weeks of the year, should I err on the side of economy?. I do hate poor gear, do you get what you pay for?

Yes. But paying for marketing comes into play as well.

I'm actually looking at 9 wt rods as well. For throwing heavy bass flies and light saltwater use. I'm probably going to go to my local shop and buy last year's model. I'll get a good rod at a discount.

BigDave 06-28-2005 01:23 PM

If I had to pick one rod for all around striper fishing on the cape it would be a 10wt Xi2 - simply for battling the ever present wind. I have only used the 8 on windless flats days (there aren't many of them).

You may want to get the TFO in your hands before you purchase. The butt section on those rods are like baseball bats compared to Sage, Winston, etc....

clouser UK 06-28-2005 03:07 PM

Hi Kieran,
Don't forget i've got the Tcir X in 9# and the Fullingmill equivalent in 10#.
You are more than welcome to try these out next time we, the NKB, get together and chase the elusive European Bass !
The butt section on both rods is quite thick, but the rods are light and responsive......and they do chuck a good length of line out!
I think you've been spoilt by the Xi2.....

I feel a casting day coming on :rolleyes:

I miss the Stripas :(

Dave :wink:

Kieran 06-28-2005 04:42 PM


Yep, I miss the stripas (blues) as well.

God, I wish I lived stateside

Counting the days until next year.

I'd forgotten you had the TICR, will meet up soon as the Northerlies die down



Broadbill 06-28-2005 05:47 PM

I'm surprised no one has invited forum sponsor Thomas and Thomas to this party.

Their Horizons are extremely fast and sensitive with strength down low. I'm told the new Horizon II series is even faster, has the same backbone, but is lighter and easier to cast all day. I use T&T Horizons in 8- and 10-weights to fight constant wind where I fish and they're great. These guys are in Massachusetts; kinda makes sense they'd have some idea of how to build a rod for these waters, doncha think?

baldmountain 06-28-2005 07:51 PM


Originally Posted by Broadbill
I'm surprised no one has invited forum sponsor Thomas and Thomas to this party.

Because none of us working stiffs can afford one. :( Especially when we know we are going to abuse it by fishing Saltwater.

They are beauties though. :D

Dble Haul 06-29-2005 08:16 AM

Ah, but T&T rods can take abuse. If you're going to be fishing a lot, they are a sound investment with good customer service.

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