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boogie 05-25-2005 01:57 PM

sailfish leaders
 
hey guys, im looking for advice on sailfish leaders both igfa and non-igfa. im wondering what are some bite leader test weights and lenghts that yall find best.
as it is now for igfa im gonna run 12inch 60lb with leftys no slip loops on both ends(bite leader), to 1ft of 16-20lb (class), then to a 60lb (butt). is this close?

i practice the bimmini twist alot but when it comes down to it i rarely use it. (the loop is really long is that right?)what are some good examples of useage? letys no-slip is really close to 100%.

Eddie 05-25-2005 04:29 PM

for igfa, your total length for the bite must be 12" (or what ever, look it up). The bimini is used to make 100% knots at both ends of the class tippet. Biminis tend to be big loops. Go loop to loop on you butt (5' or so), and a huffnagle or some sort albright to the bite.
For non igfa, I would use a two or three foot bite tippet so that the mate has an easier time leadering the fish.
Trey Combs book: "Blue Water FlyFishing" is the bible for this sort of thing.

boogie 05-25-2005 06:42 PM

your are just the guy i was hoping would respond. thank you. what is the lb.test of your bite leaders? do you use knots for the big stuff?(yeah 12inch bite, including knots for igfa)

Eddie 05-25-2005 09:00 PM

it's been a few years since i fished for bill fish, but we used 100# mason and 80# Orvis flourocarbon. The Mason is no fun (stiff!).
I just checked out Trey Comb's book which has the leader set up that I used: 24" 50-60# butt with a loop on each end. 15-18" class tippet with a bimini @ each end. the class is conected to the but loop to loop and the shock is connected with a huffnagle.
I am sure that there are other, perhapse better, ways to do it. Josko?

boogie 05-25-2005 09:29 PM

thanks again man. so, what are you connecting the butt to the line with if the butt is looped on both ends?

Eddie 05-26-2005 07:37 AM

whipped loop on the fly line. I might be inclined use an albright and retie it every now and again.
where are you going?

boogie 05-26-2005 04:00 PM

yet again, thanks! i going to your east cape in july. bahia de los meurtos (now bahia de los seunos) . i have been after them for a bit now but always seem to run into other exiting game fish there. this time im going to try to focus. we will see.

i cant seem to find info on the hafenagle. any links?

Eddie 05-26-2005 09:17 PM

google huffnagle. first link is titled AD.

marlinkjs 05-02-2006 11:20 AM

leaders
 
We fish (and catch) a lot on the fly in Guatemala; if you are not concerned with IGFA............then I would recommend

a) Shorten the flyline to about 20ft (from the back obviously)
b) attach an offshore/wind on leader as it gives flex into the line
c) Mono
d) bimini/huffnagle
e) 18 ins. of bit leader

as the prior poster said, loop to loop works well also, particulalrly if you have to shape a leader to be able to cast...............most people (including me !) can only cast a cam sigler popper about 30ft with a 12wt, so am more concerned with flex and a decent leader to give the mate something to hold onto when the fish needs holding to the side of the boat.

JR SPEY 05-07-2006 09:39 AM

For IGFA legal leaders, your shock cannot exceed 12" including the knots. The class tippet must be 15" NOT including the knots. I use 80lb Ande's for the butt section, 10kg Rio IGFA Hard for the class tippet, and now use 80lb FC for the shock as it seems to be more abrasion resistant. I use Trey's method of attaching a strong braided loop to the flyline. I use a perfection loop at both ends of the butt. I then use a bimini with the double line surgeon's to loop onto that perfection. I do not use a bimini on the other end of the class. Using Stu Apte's improved blood knot doesn't require it and therefore makes for a smoother connection. That knot is in Trey's book. Recently I've been practicing tying the slim beauty knot for that same purpose. I hope to have faith in it before I head to Guatemala next February. That knot does not require a bimini either so both that and the Stu Apte knot are slimmer than a huffnagel. I find the non-slip loop takes up too much shock material and find no advantage to having a free swinging fly for billfishing. Therefore I use the ancient 3 1/2 turn clinch knot and cinch it down real tightly using a commercial knot lubricant. I've never had one fail. If I break it is almost always just above (toward the flyline) the class/shock connection.

For non-legal, I would do everything the same, but as mentioned earlier I would increase the length of the shock to about 3ft. I would not exceed 10kg for my class tippet for safety reasons.


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