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natrix 05-13-2005 03:25 PM

Ethics and Etiquette
This spring I was walking along the bank of the Salmon R. in near Callis Idaho. I was above the river about 50 feet or so, so I could see down into the brush by the side of the river. As I walked past I could see this guy putting his waders back on, he had just returned from a crap in the brush. What he had left behind was the toilet paper. It wasnít in just a little pile, it was all over the place like up in the brush and within 20 feet of the river. I see this allot, its like some kind of territorial defecation ritual or something. All the likely spots are generally decorated with several applications of toilet paper. Fortunately this is usually less frequent as you get further from the road, but I notice that as more and more people get further and further out the tel-tale sings of human impact follow. The ethics and etiquette of this for me are clear. Trashing the place is basically a thoughtless act. It bespeaks ignorance, and an attitude of contempt.

So what do you do when you witness something that goes against the grain of what you believe is
ethical or contrary to your chosen etiquette.

Most of the time I just donít say anything because how it comes out is an expression of my disgust and anger, and as I have learned from past encounters it usually dosnt go well.

So from a life time of poorly chosen words, and miss placed anger, my experience tells me that nobody listens when what you have to say comes out as an insult or as condescending. At times nice dosnt work either. How do you treat people with respect and educate them at the same time when your mad as hell.


DEERHAAWK 05-14-2005 01:08 AM

Ooooooooooo K!
Good evening,
Outdoor Latrine Manners while Fishing. I spend alot of time in the backcountry and this is a regular part of my trips, just like clock work baby!. But you are right Natrix this is a problem I run into as well. Thats the great thing about a resource like the Fly Fishing Forum. You can use it as a tool of learning!
In my research I found that the standard is to keep aprox. 75' to 100' from any trail or living space, and that includes River / Lake frontage, then DIG and BURY!!! I understand that while fishing, the urge can happen out of the blue without much notice, but a bit of preperation can help. I bring along a few paper napkins in my vest, and always scope out my "Options" on the way to the water. This keeps the situation very low key. Napkins do the trick and decopmpose rather well under normal conditions. Everything goes into the hole and gets covered! Simple, ya?
Some would bring there "Home" ways into the wild, they just need these subtle hints to bring them around to the right way, I mean all the other animals do it and its not an issue.
Anyone else want to tackle this one? Huh? :eek:

And I remain........ Wiped!!!

natrix 05-16-2005 11:14 AM

So what do you say to people when you catch them leaving their garbage on the bank. Itís the same whether itís toilet paper, a cigaret butt, a candy wrapper, or lunch sack, or 50 yds of monofilament all in a tangle.

Do you keep your mouth shut, or do you give them hell.

An old friend used to say ďI donít get mad, I just use it for effectĒ

I remember once floating up to a boat ramp where three bait fisherman were camped on the ramp in their lawn chairs with lines planted to the bottom of the river. They had a nice fire some garbage and a pile of dead suckers. I had a little trouble getting them to move but they got the idea when I started backing my boat trailer down the ramp. I went back later and found that they had left the garbage and the suckers for someone else to clean up and a fire for someone else to put out.


fcch 05-16-2005 11:39 AM

Just a little story on the same thread, ...

I came down the trail on one of my favourite runs a few years ago. A pile of lunch garbage was on the trail. (Even though there is a trash can 50 yrds up toward the pull-out.)

As I was there thursday and there was no mess and I was the first there on saturday, at lunch, I asked the warden who had fished there on friday.

I found out that there was only on angler there all day. No tourists stop there either.

I had collected all the stuff (including a used leader) so I mailed it to him.

BTW, I did the same thing the time I found a nice reel on the beach at the #38.

I figured, if they had lost it or "forgotten" to pack it out, they would like to get it back.

I had put my home adress and number on the mailing sticker ... Funny, no one ever contacted me. ;)

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