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juro 11-25-2004 09:21 PM

Ridiculous Clave... cont'd
 
What:
rIdIcUlOuS clave - DIY primarily, low budget bonefish trip

Why:
Need we ask?

Where:
Bahamas archipelago - Acklins, Eleuthera, Grand Bahamas, Abaco, or other DIY destination with lots of bones and flats measured in hundreds of square miles

When:
March or April (tbd)

Who:

1) FredA.
2) n1gdo
3) Dave17
4) Bonefishmon
5) Jim Simms
6) grizz0707
7) Wrke
8) with_wrke
9) Juro

*** group limit reached ***

How:
Converge on an island, share a car / lodging / fly tying table / stories / stogies / kaliks and walk, stalk, rock the flats!

juro 11-27-2004 08:05 AM

Bingo!!!
 
Acklins is in the running...

http://www.vrbo.com/49576
http://www.crookedisland.biz/


Advantages:

1,000 sq miles of bonefish flats
accessible crazy fishing
DIY fantasy
cheap lodging options
car rental available
two islands separated by $4 ferry

Disadvantages:

very remote
lose a day in Nassau - we could do a warm-up on the south side of N.P. though
cost $300 over Eleuthera due to flights from Nassau verses Ft.Lauderdale
few amenities

Neutral:

zero couples clave scouting possibilities but thats ok too

Acklins should be considered among the choices, representing the exploratory option with highest potential for ridiculous fishing at the price of amenities.

juro 11-27-2004 01:40 PM

More on Acklins / Crooked Island...
 
Research reveals that there are more than two lodging options per mile on these islands, which are separated by a small cut with a $4 ferry to cross them. These hotels range from affordable and humble establishments to posh angler's accomodations on the international destinations lists. Clearly the reason is some of the best bonefishing on earth, DIY too.

Stretched out, these islands together are only about 15 miles long and not even a mile across in many places. A rental car could scour the island's shoreline in a day.

We could fly into Acklins and out on Crooked, vice-versa, or round trip to the same airstrip and it's $105 each way no matter what the combination - $210 r/t from Nassau. The problem is we have to get to Nassau, can't fly direct from Ft.Lauderdale like we could to Eleuthera, etc. This difference represents a $300 difference in the flight costs overall as opposed to Eleuthera.

Lodging options on Crooked Island include a place on Landrail Pt that wants $80 / night for three bedrooms, $20 each sleeping four per unit, BUT the meals plan is $55 per day per person (optional). Still $75 per day for meals the owners boast about is pretty good, and they pack lunches to go.

If you poke around a bit I think you'll get the same excitement about Acklins / Crooked Island that I have. Take a look and let me know.

** - this is not to say Berry, Eleuthera, and others are out, just adding another viable option before we make up our minds over the next week or two.

Detailed Itinerary will follow, once I hear back from inquiries I have made to businesses on both islands.

n1gdo 11-27-2004 02:14 PM

I have always wanted to explore the Acklins area.

My thinking is how many times would we ever get the chance to see an
area like this at a price we can afford.

We could always do Eleuthera easily.

If we were voting I would go for the Acklins trip.

Thanks to everyone for all their great information.

frank in Winthrop, MA

Luv2flyfish 11-28-2004 01:31 AM

Lets see what it works out to (money wise) per person for the week.

grizz0707 11-28-2004 05:13 AM

poidy oil tasting on the beach
 
Hi Juro,
count me in if there is still room for this clave. just got the okay to do the deal.

fish we must,
grizz0707

juro 11-28-2004 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luv2flyfish
Lets see what it works out to (money wise) per person for the week.

Roughly about $700-800 without the flight to Nassau, details will be posted shortly. Waiting for replies from folks in Acklins and Crooked Island.

juro 11-28-2004 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grizz0707
Hi Juro,
count me in if there is still room for this clave. just got the okay to do the deal.

fish we must,
grizz0707


Griz -

Provided this creates no maritial hiccup, YER IN! :wink:

juro 12-02-2004 11:12 AM

Any more proposals?

If not, it's going to be between:

Eleuthera
Berry Islands
Acklins

bonefishmon 12-03-2004 06:45 AM

I will do some investigating for a Berry Island round trip with housing. Will try percy Darville this weekend. Could not reach him earlier this week.

Phil

Luv2flyfish 12-03-2004 08:22 AM

All 3 sound good to me. The 2 with less pressure sound the best.

I just need dates to plan on - I have a whole lot of traveling, moving, and switching of jobs happening during the time of this adventure. Most of that stuff is getting planned and finalized now. I may potentially run into snags (depending on what uncle sammy whats to do). I might be unemployed and on 40 days of vacation by early march, or unemployed and on 40 days of vacation by mid-april. (those 40 days of vacation do not count in the 10 days vacation I am taking for this bonefishin trip). Too bad those 50 days of vacation dont coincide with the Fall and British Columbia and Steelhead......

juro 12-03-2004 09:01 AM

Acklins: My estimates are right around $700ea not including round trip to Nassau or guides. But this is the great hinterlands of DIY in our lifetime and who knows how long, w/ 1000 sq miles of flats on a mostly deserted 14 mile long island if we stay in the newly built hotel I contacted. For me the Nassau flight is $500 but I might beg for freq. flyer miles from family so I can make this trip fit my budget.

We could knock this down $300 easy on Eleuthera due to flights from Ft.Lauderdale instead of Nassau, which for me are under $200 and there is no night layover for this island. This would easily fit my budget.

I will put these two package costs together based on quotes within the next few days. If anyone else is doing leg work chime in and we'll wait for all the numbers to come in before deciding.

bonefishmon 12-03-2004 02:24 PM

Berry Island
 
I found a RT charter to Governors Harbor from Ft. Lauderdale for about $1900 divided by whichever number of passengers it takes along. Plane will hold eight comfortably. There is a $12 departure tax plus landing and takeoff fees.
My contact will attempt to arrange some other group to come back on the return flight or come out with them for our return flight which will reduce the cost even more. Housing is being looked into and I'm told this spot is DIY friendly and she books these trips on a DIY basis quite often. She didn't even know it was a problem elsewhere! At this point housing is looking like around $70 per night for a party of eight, on the beach, in a villa. We can rent boats or a Jeep Cherokee. All total about $1200 per person for eight + food and drink. I really like the Acklins as a destination but it may be tough on some of the other wallets. Only one problem with the Berry's = cold fronts.

Phil

juro 12-04-2004 12:34 PM

Acklins Diet
 
Here are the details for Acklins / Crooked Island

I've negotiated a weekly rental at Casuarina Pines, Crooked Island of $600 per week for cottages with two double beds each.

http://www.crookedisland.biz/pagrpv.html

Hylena will arrange rental cars for $60 per day, possible week discount. This should mean $15 per day each up to four; two cars if 8 people, etc.

Therefore:

Not counting the flight to/from Nassau

Nassau to Crooked Island $135
First night lodging in Nassau $50ea
Lodging for week $300ea without cots
Rental car for week $105
Food $100ea (600-800 shared for week)
Bonefishing till we drop... priceless
Return to Nassau $135

$800-ish not including the flight to/from Nassau. Not as budget-wise as Eleuthera but notbably less than Berry Is. quote.

Extras:
  • Fishing with guides at one of the lodges (Greys Point, Acklins Lodge, etc.)
  • License for taking of lobster (they are 100ft away from the door) $20

Each cottage sleeps two adults, plenty of room to add a third but at these rates why bother.

I will draft up a plan for Acklins vs. Crooked but keep in mind there is a $4 ferry to get from one to the other and the total length of both islands combined is about 15 miles.

It might be fun to split the week between Crooked and Acklins keeping the cost about at this level. I suspect the $4 ferry would not get the car across the channel so we might as well consider it.

However, these two provide 1000 square miles of largely unfished flats, perhaps the most ridiculously untapped bonefish mecca on earth.

wrke 12-04-2004 12:53 PM

Juro
Just found the thread and haven't had time to follow all. Are you full, can you take a couple more?
Bill


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