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CDG 07-13-2004 12:25 AM

spinning and stacking deer hair
 
I've tied some pretty decent deer hair bugs, but i was at a fly shop the other day and was looking through the bass bugs they had for sale, there were pretty incredible. The deer hair on the bugs was so tightly packed and trimmed so it actually resemble cork. I just can't seem to get my bugs to look like that. How do they do it? Is it the spinning/stacking technique? The trimming technique? The deer hair?

CDG

Quentin 07-13-2004 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by CDG
. . . The deer hair on the bugs was so tightly packed and trimmed so it actually resemble cork. I just can't seem to get my bugs to look like that. How do they do it? Is it the spinning/stacking technique? The trimming technique? The deer hair?

CDG

Yes, yes and yes, and also the packing technique :lildevl:

Do you know if they were hand-tied? I've bought a couple of pre-packaged bass bugs (Sci-Angler) that were packed very tightly. Try as I might, I could not get mine to come out like the pre-packaged ones. I'm pretty sure they were made by machine, which may explain how they were packed so tightly.

I posted a similar question a while back and got some good responses. Try using the "search" function on this site (search for "deer hair") and you will find that thread, along with lots of other useful info. A few of the guys on this board are quite talented when it comes to spinning deer hair!

Q

MCorder 07-13-2004 06:50 AM

Small amount of hair, pack, small amount of hair, pack........keep doing this about 50 times and you get a decent tightness. I'm not a pro at dear hair but I found this to work best. Try tying a knot after each bunch, it keeps wraps tight. Also once you get a decent shape with your scissors try taking it out of the vice and using a thin (double sided) razor blade to trim the rest. A little pressure from the sides and you get a nice bend.
Good Luck!!

Dble Haul 07-13-2004 08:04 AM

I agree with Quentin that you should use the search feature in this forum. There have been a few lengthy discussions on this topic, some dating back to a few years ago.

Good luck.

striblue 07-13-2004 09:51 AM

I learned to stack deer hair by watching John M. (his last name escapes me for the momment)..at UFT here in Mass...But his bass bugs were incredible.... he would only superglue the first aplication of the spun hair..that is, glue the thread wraps to the shank in front of the stacked hair... then he would not do that for each application so that the thread AND hairs would push easier together along the shank(Slide along the shank unimpeded ) and it would really pack them in...then, as already mentioned.... a razor blade conpletes the job. Trim down with scissors first...then use the razor for the finishing touchs.

flytyer 07-13-2004 06:21 PM

CDG,

The two things needed to produce a very tightly packed spun hair body are: 1) never use a bunch of hair larger than your little finger (and one that is a little larger than a pencil or pen in diameter is best); and 2) use a hair stacking tool (I prefer and use the Brassie tool; but any of the hair packing tools on the market will work-in fact, I way back in the 1960's when I learned how to spin and stack deer hair, I was taught to use a Bic pen barrel and they still work very well) to push the hair back against itself after each bunch is tied on. When you puch the hair back against itself, remember to hold on to the hook with your other hand or it could bend. Also, after each hair bunch is tied in, take 2 turns of thread directly in front of it. And never put cement on until after a bunch of hair is pushed back on itself.

Doing these simple things will result in spun hair bodies that will be as tight as those you saw in the store. And you will also find out why spun hair bodied flies cost what they do because of the time it takes to do it properly.

CDG 07-13-2004 07:45 PM

thanks guys. I've used some of the hints provided and i've already taken a few steps in the right direction. I will post some pics in the next couple of days.

CDG

Mattb 07-14-2004 11:29 AM

There's some great info here already, but I always find that pictures help me with stuff like this. If you're the same way, you should really check out these two pages:

Part 1: http://www.stripersonline.com/ubb547...c/12/1255.html

Part 2: http://www.stripersonline.com/ubb547...c/12/1256.html

Ken was probably the best I've ever seen at spinning hair, the two pages above really taught me how to do it.

-Matt


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