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SDHflyfisher 05-20-2003 07:13 AM

old rods
i got two old rods this weekend and was wondering if anyone could tell me the year or decade it was made and if possible its value
1. Heddon Pal Mark 1 controlled Flex Action 8307 8 1/2' No. 8 Lines it came with a Shakespeare automatic reel No. 1836 Model FC

2. South bend split cane rod 346-9' 4DH or D plastic reel seat is in excellent condition finish is good has two rod tips neither is broken


flytyer 05-21-2003 12:06 AM

Neither of these rods is worth very much. They were run-of-the-mill mass produced bamboo rods. They are OK fishing tools provided you only want to cast about 50 feet max. They were probably produced in the late 40's or early 50's.

SDHflyfisher 05-21-2003 07:14 AM

i figured they were made around that time i paid 75 for the bamboo i am pretty sure it was a good buy for the condition that it is in.

BobK 05-21-2003 08:00 AM

The reel....
If the reel is maroon colored anodized aluminum and sits vertically below the rod (most autos sit horizontal), it was made in the same time frame. Never ever take it apart ..... a steel "snake" will jump out of it and be all over the room! And you'll spend days trying to get it back in!!!


SDHflyfisher 05-22-2003 07:12 AM

it is not that set up it is chrome colored and i have already taken it off and that did not happen
Could anyone tel me what 4 DH or D means?

flyfisha1 05-22-2003 07:33 AM

If I'm not mistaken, those are old line classifications, are they not?

fredaevans 05-22-2003 10:30 AM

Chris, I'm 99% certain..

Originally posted by flyfisha1
If I'm not mistaken, those are old line classifications, are they not?
your correct. Still have a couple of very old fly rods that show that type of line designation on the blank.

flyfisha1 05-22-2003 10:47 AM

Retro-fly fishing; a break from technology
I foresee a time in the not-so-distant future where "purist" fly fishermen and women go back to the old line designations, bamboo and fiberglass rod blanks, silk lines, and so on. I'm determined to build a "trout rod" on a fiberglass blank sometime this year... only problem is, FG blanks are somewhat hard to find and the ones I've seen are quite pricey... anyone know of good FG blanks for a reasonable price?

John Desjardins 05-22-2003 10:53 AM

Lamiglas has some reasonable priced fiberglass blanks.

flyfisha1 05-22-2003 11:12 AM

But which ones, specifically?

John Desjardins 05-22-2003 11:52 AM

I was thinking of there Bush (?) Creek series. Last year I built a 6'6" 3 wt out of one and its a nice, albeit slow, blank. The cost for a 2 piece blank was ~ $65-70. There not on the Lamiglas website now though.

fredaevans 05-22-2003 12:07 PM

Chris, I have Lamiglass' catalog in my office.
Shoot me a fax number at and I'll copy/fax the pages back to you.

SDHflyfisher 05-22-2003 02:13 PM

so it is probably a four weight
the old reel i told you guys about on with some 5 weight line on it and it casts very well

BobK 05-22-2003 02:24 PM

It probably is a 4-weight. Must be a vintage where the numbers were starting to replace the letters. A "D" line (or HDH for a taper) would just about match up with a 4 weight.
Probably early '60s vintage, if memory serves me right.


Nooksack Mac 05-23-2003 12:36 AM

To D or not to D, that is the question
If I remember, a D-belly was more likely to be a 5- or 6-weight. That letter system designated diameters. Trouble was, Ashaway's D, using different plastic coatings, might or might not be the same weight as Cortland's D belly. The cry went out for a system based on line weight, and so the AFTMA system that we use today came to be, somewhere around 1960.
A designation like HDH was a double taper; one like GBF was a weight-forward. I seem to remember that there were designations like GAAF or G2AF, which was a saltwater-size WF line.

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