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Pat Bahan 03-23-2003 06:50 PM

Trail Creek
I accepted an invite from one of my fishing pards to go up to Michigan City and fish the harbor wall for Coho this weekend. We stayed with a friend of his who took us out. We spent all morning Saturday chunking hardware and drowning spawn with one Steelhead to show. Knowing I was a flyfisherman, on the way back to his house he stopped at a public access site on Trail creek so I could see it. Very cool place. I met someone there who bet me he could hook a steelie in three casts. I think it took 8 or 10.
Needless to say I spent this morning there, NOT at the harbor. Seemed like most of the fish I saw were more interested in spawning than eating, though I did finally get one nice male to eat one of Hal's chartruse glow bugs. Then there was this BIG tree. Then there was a broken line. :hehe:
I shall return.

pmflyfisher 03-23-2003 07:43 PM

Yep thats trail creek and they love those chartreuse glow bugs.

Heard it was full of fish on Friday. Not my favorite place to go though. Only when really desparate !! :D

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removed_by_request 03-23-2003 09:17 PM

[Thats one of M.S.'s favorite to take people for Skams in the summer.

Nasty place to fish, better places west of there closer to Illinois. If you know where to look.

pmflyfisher 03-24-2003 05:12 PM

Don't tell him everything, please.

Any one that can take that Trail Creek mud and bugs in july and august, is more of a man than me, and can have all of those big skams too.

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removed_by_request 03-24-2003 06:06 PM

You will have a very hard time finding the spots I fish on those "other" 4 rivers. One 3 mile section is private/posted/fenced intruders are kept at bay. Not to mention 2 never fished river mouths.

Laziness keeps people at bay.

Pat Bahan 03-25-2003 06:56 AM

Thanks Hal. ( I need all the help I can get ) :whoa:

pmflyfisher 03-25-2003 08:42 AM

Slendid spey casting water it must be ! :chuckle:

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removed_by_request 03-25-2003 09:24 AM


Originally posted by pmflyfisher
Don't tell him everything, please.

Any one that can take that Trail Creek mud and bugs in july and august, is more of a man than me, and can have all of those big skams too.

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Actually Trail has less bugs than the other rivers. Michigan City sprays for pests and properly pollutes the water so mosquitos cant hatch or survive.

Fished Trail many a day without bug dope, once I moved to the western rivers I was eaten alive.

pmflyfisher 03-25-2003 09:36 AM

Dangerous with our high rate of West Niles virus in this area, one of the highest in the nation the last I heard. My skin is tough though, it will take a tough mosquito to penetrate. :D

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removed_by_request 03-25-2003 01:06 PM


Originally posted by pmflyfisher
Dangerous with our high rate of West Niles virus in this area, one of the highest in the nation the last I heard.

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Which was in Illinois, the Northern burbs mostly. Due to their lack of spraying. Trail is in Indiana a long ways from Illinois.

Indiana had 3 times less cases than Illinois. Look it up the answer is out there.

removed_by_request 03-25-2003 01:10 PM

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pmflyfisher 03-25-2003 02:45 PM

I would not trust those governmental statistics, particularly for those mucky swamp bug infested rivers. To much risk for fellow like me with family responsibilities, etc... You younger fellows can have them. I will be there in the winter though when the bugs are gone.:D

Pat, don't worry let us know next time you are coming up and we will point you in the right direction. Thats the least another fellow FFF member can do for each other.

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removed_by_request 03-25-2003 03:56 PM

As I said before Trail is not like that, it is not really swampy. The other rivers are. Trail runs thru a major Indy. town. It gets sprayed polluted and dumped in enough to kill all nasty critters.

You'd get cancer before you catch west nile there.

pmflyfisher 03-25-2003 04:05 PM

I don't know, I was there this summer it did not look much better than when I fished it a lot in the early 80s when I lived in South Bend.

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removed_by_request 03-25-2003 06:19 PM

This summer trail was at it lowest level in years.

Been going to that area since 82 and saw many changes there. they straightened out Liberty Trail, built a casino, yuupie ville condos, a huge dump off of 421, had three major chemical spills which harmed the river, contained 4 toxic dumps and last but not least built 2 new sewage plants. Not too mention all the new homes built there. Also major shopping areas off 421 that leach into trail.

It changed a lot if you ask me.

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