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01-26-2004 11:44 AM
Norseman
Soaking your Biots

John...I would agree with soaking any biots that are wrapped as bodies....it definately makes life easier.

Let me know how you make out soaking them, then using the hot tweezers.
01-26-2004 11:11 AM
John Desjardins I'm sorry I shold have been more clear, the soaking has been for easier wrapping when tying them as a quill body. My thought was that maybe the soaking then applying hot tweezers would break fewer biots. Or it could be a complete dead end that I should not have brought up. I will try bending a couple tonight.
01-26-2004 11:07 AM
FrenchCreek Excellent pattern and example of waht a little time & effort can accomplish.
01-26-2004 11:05 AM
Norseman
Soaking your Biots

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Originally posted by John Desjardins
Jake, Have you tried soaking the biots before bending them? In tying midges I've found that it makes the biots much more supple if I keep them between a wet paper towel for 45 minutes before tying.

John, Contact me if you have any problems finding biots. I think I have almost every color available, and a package goes a long way.

Hi John....I have to be honest here. I have not used biots a whole lot and when I do they are usually left straight; such as on the prince nymph. With the use of the lighter and heated tweezers, it seems that they hold their set better with less of a chance to straighten out.

When you soak yours, does the shape continue to stay once it has been fished?
01-26-2004 11:01 AM
Adrian Superb!!!
01-26-2004 09:55 AM
John Desjardins Jake, Have you tried soaking the biots before bending them? In tying midges I've found that it makes the biots much more supple if I keep them between a wet paper towel for 45 minutes before tying.

John, Contact me if you have any problems finding biots. I think I have almost every color available, and a package goes a long way.
01-26-2004 06:48 AM
striblue Thanks for the explaination..I will be looking into that technique on the saltwater side...
01-25-2004 11:10 PM
Norseman
Striblue

The legs are made of stipped biots.

A biot is the feather barbule off of the leading edge of a goose wing....they are a very long tapered delta shape.

The way I bend them is related in the pattern above. What I do is use a fine tipped pair of tweezers....heat the tips of the tweezers for about 5-8 seconds on the tip of a BIC disposable lighter flame. Then grip the biot where you want the elbow joint to be with the heated tweezers...and bend or fold the biot over the tweezer at the angle you want....hold it for a few seconds and the biot has taken a set...much like a curling iron with hair.

I really like your idea of using them for Crab legs...I think you are onto something there.....If I can add my two cents worth....I would place 2 -3 biots together...heat and bend them all at the same time ...then use some flex cement to hold all three together....then I think you would have a real kick ass crab leg

If you cannot find biots, any good fly tying supply store will be able to get them for you.

Best regards
01-25-2004 10:45 PM
striblue WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!..Kill it before it bites me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..Incedible...................C an you tell me how you made the legs...I would be interested in that for crab patterns... Whats a Biot???Thanks
01-25-2004 10:14 PM
Norseman
Side View

Showing the lateral line and how the braid allows for a light under body.
01-25-2004 10:14 PM
Norseman
Here's the Top View of a black legged Stone

Little different with two strands of pearl crystal flash tied in under the body braid.....furled then laid up on the back....they ride in the recess of the braid knots....just that little bit of flash.
01-25-2004 09:42 PM
John Desjardins Beautiful fly!!!
01-25-2004 06:39 PM
Norseman
Mark

Its really not that tough....just time consuming with all the tie in steps.....I have found that I make up all the weighted underbodies with the tails in place first and do about a dozen or so up ahead of time....then I do the woven part of the abdomen on all 12.....then I finish by tying off each fly with the thorax.....it's certainly faster when you do up a dozen flies and complete them in stages.

My two cents worth
01-25-2004 05:25 PM
Dble Haul Thanks for the details....I'm gonna give this one a try when I have a block of time to devote to it.
01-25-2004 04:26 PM
Norseman
Pattern as follows:

Sorry guys I will post the pattern with the fly next time

Woven Body stone

Tails/leg/feelers - Tan or Ginger goose biots.

Legs are bent by heating a pair of fine pointed tweezer tips for about 5-8 secs with a BIC lighter. Pinch the biot where you want the bend and fold over the biot. The heat will set the bend. A word of caution here....do the bending before tying it, as sometimes the heat will be too much and sear the leg joint off...then you have to start the fly over again.

Underbody: Heavy lead wire .030 dia. on abdomen, then double back to form thorax. thread wraps and head cement in place so lead color doesnt leech out.

Underbody color: Burnt orange diamond braid unravelled, this will show through the bottom braided section

Adbomen Braid. Top braid is dark brown UTC stretch tubing
( med) The underside braid is Amber UTC stretch tubing also size med. Both woven in place with the overhand or granny knot braid.

Windcase: Dark brown raffia folded back for first two cases then clipped in a V for the wingcase just back of the eyes

Thorax. Unravelled Burnt orange diamond braid material. Dubbing around eyes and last wingcase are any burnt orange dubbing mix....I like it with a little flash in it.

Eyes: Size small black nylon dumbell eyes.

This is a rather labour intensive fly and each one will run you 40 minutes to an hour, depending on tyers experience.

Good Luck....its worth the effort
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