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11-26-2003 08:08 AM
BigDave I don't think the head would effect casting. Over a 50 foot dead drift you might get an iota more depth but it's not like we're talking about a tungsten cone head here :hehe:
11-25-2003 05:29 PM
flyfisha1 John - the balance of the fly during the cast would be affected by the size and/or weight of the head. I would imagine that, in addition, pulling a fly with a larger head through the water when preparing to spey cast would make the strain on the rod a bit heavier, which would again affect casting.
11-25-2003 05:12 PM
striblue The Knot issue does make sense... but , since I use saltwater so much in casting, I would find it hard to believe that the weight difference in the salmon big head versus small head is so substantial that it effects casting.
11-25-2003 03:03 PM
flytyer Head size is relative and is dependent on the tyer's own sense of porportion. There is no hard-and-fast rule on head size. It is important to have a head that is well-formed (and McCorder's are very well-formed) sort of in the shape of a Hersey's Kiss. The are many other famous tyers who tie larger heads, Ron Alcott comes readily to mind.


To answer your question on space between fly's head and hood eye, yes, it is fairly typical of the better tyers here on the west coast of the US to do this. The reasons for it are: 1) when a hitch is placed on the fly it is placed farthur back on the shank and causes a more erratic fly action: and 2) it allows a fisher to tie a whip finish knot behind the eye, which is stronger than a Turle.
11-25-2003 08:24 AM
Gardener IMO head size is merely a style thing, John. Small heads have traditionally been something to aspire to in salmon flies, but I donít believe they add to the attractiveness. The only thing is that, if you use a knot like the turle, which goes round the neck of the hook eye, itís important to keep this area clear so the knot beds in and canít slip forward. Itís a bit hard to see, but I suspect this may not be the case with MCorderís flies.

A few people over here have started incorporating eyes into the heads of salmon flies, like you do with your saltwater flies. These generally take the place of jungle cock eye feathers, and obviously mean a bigger head. But regardless of size the head still needs to be kept back from the eye if the turle knot is to work.

Incidentally, itís struck me from a few pictures here and flies received in swaps that US tiers may tend to finish their heads even further back from the eye than ours. Seanís Allyís Shrimp is a recent example. This isnít really meant as a criticism, just an observation. Is this style typical?
11-25-2003 08:18 AM
BigDave Nice flies!

I like the big heads...they probably add a little weight to the deal too, which could be desireable. I don't think the size of the head on a teal and hot pink streamer is going to put off any fish...just a different take on the graceful patterns of old...
11-25-2003 08:17 AM
MCorder The recipe for all the flyís are basically the sameÖIíll give a general and then touch on the differences.

The hooks are Tiemco Salmon/Steelhead (I bought them in Alaska and since lost the bag so I canít give a number).
The bodies are floss with silver or gold Freedom (French) Tinsel.
The thorax is Black or Peacock dubbing.
All the wings are Bucktail.
The Yellow and Black Fly has a White Rabbit Tail (cut from a strip), Black Saddle Hackle with Yellow Scallpen over.
The other two are just Scalpen.
The design of the flyís were the result of me just sitting at my vice thinking ďHmmmmmmm, that would look coolĒ.

I think the head is of personal preference. I know the smaller head looks more delicate and appealing to the eye. Also, when casting great distances anything to reduce weight might be in your best interest. With my creations I donít think the fish is going to look too close in evaluating weather or not that big swimming bumblebee is proportionally correct.
11-25-2003 07:35 AM
striblue Just a question to you salmon guys... When you refer to the head being too big... is that too big from coping the original or too big to induce a strike???Does Head size matter with this fishing...Just wondering ..for my education. Thanks
11-25-2003 06:52 AM
flyfisha1 M - Again, cool! Can you post the recipe for one or two of them? Very creative, just we like to see in the off season "down here" to keep us busy at the vise. Keep 'em comin'!
11-24-2003 10:05 PM
MCorder Thanks for the compliments!!!!
11-24-2003 09:10 PM
SDHflyfisher looking at it again the middle looks like a little bow
you can just change the colors used and create streamers to represent anything
11-24-2003 08:12 PM
highlander2 Mcorder

Nice flies man! very creative and tied with a bit of soul.The head may be big but is near perfect. A famous atlantic salmon tyer by the name of Belermino Martinez from spain tied his flies with a fairly large head, it was his trade mark along with the sienna laquer he used on almost all of his flies. At the time of his death a few years ago he was considered one of the best in the world.

11-24-2003 05:52 PM
SDHflyfisher look good but from what i do know is that the heads of the flies are way too big

the last one would work good as a replacement for the mickey finn recipe?
11-24-2003 04:45 PM
MCorder And the last...
11-24-2003 04:44 PM
MCorder Here's another...
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