|10-13-2003 05:34 PM|
|Hammer||Fred, it' s because of the pull of the Rogue,she CAN be mystical if one spends enough time there to see the magic,plus the powerful will of those that frequent her shores that truly care about the lady,she shall be ,evermore!!,as trey wrote` those that fish her are drawn to live on or near her',,,,it's,,,meant to be,a gift,,the fish are survivors,period,,time to stretch the B-W as i'm getting weary here,been a loooong 8 day week,,,,bye|
|10-13-2003 03:09 PM|
Got the opportunity to listen to Dave (wish I could remember his last name) a fisheries biologist working for Seattle City Light the other day while camping on the Ronde. He talked about cycles. Interesting topic. He said there is a bit of controversy regarding cycles but believe there are such things and they can be 10 year, 20 year, and even 30 year cycles all working at the same time. Very complicated and I will leave any specifics to the biologists.
Another thing I came away with from our conversation was a very good feeling about the future of fish in the northwest. With people like Dave working for outfits like Seattle City Light I see the trend in river management changing for the best. Very concerned people with lots of enthusiasm for their jobs. They seem to have new direction of managing our rivers with the fish as a major concern.
Thanks Dave for taking the time to educate a few old anglers.
|10-13-2003 10:46 AM|
|Rick J||I have talked to a number of biologists that believe in cyclic events - ocean currents change and what seems to happen is if the currents favor runs in the north - BC and Washington, often the southern runs are low and vise versa. Over the last 5 or 6 years, the Klamath has been really hot but this year the runs are way off. Maybe things are swinging and the northern rivers will start to improve?|
|10-12-2003 10:27 PM|
Not trying to change the direction of this Thread ...BUT
I've found it interesting to read post after post, on this and other boards, where the fishing (#'s of the buggers) is going to hell in a hand basket in Washington, and even northern Oregon rivers.
Moved to Southern Oregon in the mid 90's so Joan and I could build our (then) new vineyards. (Don't own them now but drive by fairly often and just sigh ,..... Plants, all 15-20,000 of them look very good!! Interesting to plant a 'vine' that, "trunk wise," is half your little finger and they're now the size of your lower arm in 7-8 years.)
Back to topic: The runs then were in 'decline,' then a total turn around. We've got fish coming out our 'ears.' Spring King run (into the top end of the river) of 35-40,000 fish; summer run steelhead over 10,000 fish in the same water along with a similar number of fall kings.
At the risk of saying something I'll regret ... why are our numbers going up to historic highs, and everyone elses going to historic lows?
|10-12-2003 05:35 PM|
Bob, you know what you need -- a fishing buddy.
And that would be me, partner. Being gainfully unemployed in Port Angeles, I can pick you up, literally and figuratively whenever you're ready.
I've been reading Art Lees book, Tying and Fishing the Riffling Hitch, in which he presents some counterintuitive ideas. Apparently, riffling ain't just for summer-runs. He talks about taking Atlantics on top in Iceland, in 15 degree weather ! .:eyecrazy:
So it's gotta possible for the winter-runs out here. I don't know much, but call me. We can learn how to "hitch" these OP fish together.
--Bert (360 452 0510)
|10-12-2003 04:14 PM|
All these thoughts have been thoughts that have been already thought of and yet need to be thought of again. Just my thoughts.
Bob, the Thoughtful :hehe:
|10-12-2003 12:46 PM|
I fish flys on spinners with gear and I fish flys and Dick Nites and corkies and yarn and lead eyes with the fly gear. My goal is always to get the bite, set the hood, fight land fish. If a legal keeper, it is taken for the table or smoker. If the limit is 2 fish, I C&R until a bigger keeper is landed.
Can't tell you how many times I have landed a keeper in 5 minutes of casting, thought, wow, lots of fish around, released it, and never got another bite all day. Skunked myself as far as eating the prey is concerned. It costs me not less than $100 out of pocket to get to the river and back from home for a day trip of 4 or 5 hours on the water. But I love the sound of the fish on ice in the cooler sloshing about on the drive home.
Since I only get to fish river steelhead a few days per year, I will take as many legal fish per day as allowed. Did I mention, all barbless?? Very rare that I take home more than one or two fish in a 2 day outing when steelhead is the prey. I fill the freezer from the salt water, lings and salmon, but do stock as much poundage as I can from a few river trips each year for steelhead.
If it bothered greatly to get skunked any particular day, I would have quit fishing many years ago. But I have no aversion whatsoever to tie anything castable and fishable on my fly gear to get a steelhead to bite. If a no. 10 egg fly ain't workin', I'll try something else, and I'm not limited to just flys. Shoot, I might even try a small HotShot on my fly gear to elicite a reflex bite after getting no takers on several "go-to" lures. I seriously don't like being skunked, but I can take it like a man, and eat beans that night rather than fish, and just ignore the stink.
|10-07-2003 01:16 AM|
Relax, I understand your disappointment, my last trip I fished 2 days out of 12 due to water conditions, but the fact is that's steelheading. Going up North isn't the big guarantee, often it's a crapshoot, a major investment in time and funds.
I have met many anglers who go up with false expectations of numbers of fish and I always try and share with them instead focus on the why they are making the trip: the opportunity to swing your fly over healthy returns of native steelhead on unspoiled rivers.
Take pride in account that you stayed true to the method you wanted to use and experience it with-good for you. I will gladly trade your experience for all the time I have ran over to the Olympic Peninsula streams, only finding a punched river and turning around to make the 4hr trip back.
|10-07-2003 12:18 AM|
I managed to go in the complete opposite direction as you as this was the first summer I did not bring a fish to hand via the now infamous indicator technique. On the other hand, this summer I have managed to find myself a good number of steelies the could not resisit the swung fly!
|10-06-2003 11:44 PM|
Me thinks these folk think you have never caught a steelhead :hehe:
I do feel your pain even though I have had a decent summer compared to many. Hang in there and it will turn around. I know your trip up north was frustrating. Two years ago I did the same thing and out of 9 days we fish 1 and a half.
I have a friend that was also up there when yuou and I were. His story is also one of disapointment. In fact, he is having the worst steelhead year of his life. He laughs that he can't even catch fish in closed waters. A springtime miscommunication had him fishing closed water for a couple weeks without so much as a grab. That is the kind of year he has had.
Don't you do anything too rash but get that new two-hander out there with a fly you have confidence in and just cast. Once you start focusing on how it all seems to be coming together, you will get a good yank and then you will be healed.
By the way, welcome to the board. Good to see you posting over here.
|10-06-2003 11:31 PM|
This one is a bit touchy!!! But you will sooner or later see that steelhead to the fly is an art and long times in between fish is very common even among the very best fishermen. I am a average fishermen when it comes to steelhead but I learned long ago that a fishing trip be it a day or week should not be centerd around catching fish. When I learned to relax and enjoy my surroundings with out all the anxiety of hooking a fish I would enjoy my self a lot more. Casting well can be very rewarding in its self, and we certainly do make many casts in between fish so you better enjoy casting if your going to fish steelhead with the fly. Relax and have fun and the fish will come.
|10-06-2003 11:06 PM|
This reminds of a little incident just this past week.
A good freind and I, made our way up to Pass Lake to fish for those big hungry browns from around 8 pm to 2 am. BUT...the lake was in the midst of its fall turnover and with muck and gunk just boiling to the surface and visibility down to nothing, our chances were very slim...
After hours of futile casting and kicking around, I got desperate and pulled out my saltwater flybox. In front of my Gummy Minnow, I attached a flashy spinny thing...what exactly it was, will not be identified!
|10-06-2003 10:47 PM|
Several years ago the Deschutes was unfishable below the White River for several months. During that time I made three trips from my home in Yakima to the mouth of the Deschutes in order to ride my bike a few miles upstream and swing flies. It was futile, but the solitude almost made it worthwhile.
My third trip I found a black Panther Martin spinner on the bank. I clipped off my big, black leech, tied on the spinner and found I could cast it just fine with my 14' 9 wt spey rod. I fished the ledges below Miller Camp (East bank Wagonblast), hooked and landed a nice wild fish, drove home and took a shower.
|10-06-2003 06:41 AM|
Sorry to hear about your misfortune, I've recently had a big trip in the Canadian Maritimes that ended the same way. Luckily since I've moved out to the east coast I had thick-shouldered stripers waiting to oblige my worst drag-burning needs when I got home.
IMHO, flyfishing only is a personal preference and not any of anyone elses business. You shouldn't feel bad about a want to catch fish by any legal means that you want!
Go get'em, as Mr.Burdett says "we'll keep the light on for ya".
|10-06-2003 06:17 AM|
I think I'm Goiing To Sell Out
I have argued for years, and I hope persuasively, of the need for the highest standards in fly fishing. No bobbers (for catfishermen only), no heavily weighted flies or jigs. I even argued that on heavily fished streams like the North Fork of the Umqua, all flies and lure must float (to avoid lining the fish and snagging, flossing etc.,) No kill whatsoever on wild fish. Perhaps the closing of the entire Hoh river, the only decent wild fish river in
Washington, until recovery can be seen.
But I'm going to being a low life. Don't even waste your time with me if you are an ethical fisherman. I AM SICK AND TIRED OF BEING SICK AND TIRED AND I WANT TO GET SOME FISH.
So, I am going to use heavily weighted articulated dredgers, I'm going to scour every seam with these using a bobber. Just call me catfish. And if my ear is ripped off by those damn bombs I'm going to be throwing, then so be it.
I'm sore about a trip to the Bulkley recently which cost me a fortune to say nothing of the three days it me to get there. And it was a long three days home.
I got skunked, not even an LDR, no tug, no rock bite that I could claim as a fish...
I used dry flies only you see. Muddlers, Waller Wakers, Steelhead Bees, etc.
I am broken in spirit and I'm going to get deadly. After a few fish, maybe we can talk.
But for now, watch out! All bets are off!
Bob, the Turned Bad