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07-18-2003 01:09 AM
Thanks for the advice

I've heard the horror stories. I don't know if I'm gonna frame them or not. Probably do a shadowbox. But will make sure it's sealed up well (I'll caulk thing if I have to LOL ).

Yeah, I know a friend who had a bunch of Glasso flies. Guess he went to school where he taught (didn't know Glasso was a teacher). Guess he deposited a couple dozen flies on the streamfloor. Now is ticked. He lost the last few only a couple years ago. But he's only an occasional fisherman, so never reads magazines. Once I informed him what he has lost, looked like he turned ghost white.

I haven't decided exactly what to do yet with the flies. I bought the auction for the wheatley box (it's the perfect pocket size that holds salmon flies). Then come to find out I got this added bonus of flies, and luckily the seller gave me the whole tutorial story on the flies.
07-18-2003 12:52 AM
flytyer Steelheader69,

Like others have already said, I can't emphasize how important it is to keep the bugs from these flies is a display. I have a very good friend in Port Angeles who had gotten 4 very large glass framed (they were the size of windows) fly mounted fly sets from an elderly gent from Sequim about 12 years ago. All of the flies (except for the Glasso speys and Pray's Optics) were tied by Harry Lemire and were the flies used in the plates in Trey Combs' 2nd book "Steelhead Fly Fishing and Flies". Trey had given them to the old gent because the old guy had a small fly shop in Sequim and Trey bought a lot of things from him over the years.

Any how, my friend didn't make sure that they were bug proofed and you guessed it! The bugs got into the frames and destroyed one of the true historical treasures of steelhead fly tying during the 4 years my friend kept them stored in the attic. He was heartsick about the destruction of these flies.
07-17-2003 05:44 AM

SH69, looking at the 'well chewed Garry Dog', and also the Silver Doctor which looks a bit nibbled, I'd reiterate Dutch's warning to be sure to quarantine these flies well. Having suffered moths in fly boxes and fly tying kit myself, you can only imagine the problems they cause; they have an unerring eye for fully-dressed flies and your best capes!

What's more, if they get out and start on clothing, any womenfolk around will ensure that your life isn't worth living!
07-17-2003 05:30 AM
G Ritchie Malcolm,

The first fly is a black terror and the last fly is actually a well chewed Garry Dog.

Graham Ritchie
07-17-2003 02:49 AM
Willie Gunn Hi Steelheader 69,
Not sure of the 1st one but the second is a Peter Ross the 3rd a Butcher (trad trout flies) and the last one looks like a well chewed Munro Killer.
Charles(Gardener) wiil probably keep us right.

07-16-2003 08:22 PM
Some guys have all the luck!

Absolutely exquisite jewels. Thank you for sharing them with us.

07-16-2003 05:20 PM
More pics

Have no idea on names, just posting pics

07-16-2003 04:54 PM
Thanks Gardener

You pretty much discribed the fly I was talking about. Gonna see if I can get some more posted for you. Looks like the seller was very honest on his flies then. I've actually been corresponding with him. Really nice guy and glad that the flies went to someone who appreciates them. Think I have the pics downloaded on the computer, will see if I can get them posted for you all to see.
07-16-2003 08:25 AM

keep the photos coming - great stuff for us pattern addicts.
appreciate the efforts
07-16-2003 04:52 AM
Nice Flies

An interesting set of flies there, SH69; you've got a good selection of different styles.

I've seen Waddingtons with the treble hook dressed in EXACTLY the same style as yours - might even say from the same tier. Definitely from the 1960's. Pretty sure the long black feather is heron.

I think the the tube fly is a 'Parker' fly. I have a couple of these in their original packaging, but not with me, so I'm working from memory here. I'm fairly sure they were sold by Sharpes of Aberdeen who were in their day arguably the best makers of cane rods d/h rods, and in particular those with spliced rather than conventional ferrule joints. These Parker flies are tied on large-bore tubes of coloured hard plastic, and were available with both weighted and unweighted mounts. As Malcolm says, the design of mount closely resembles those used on devon minnows. I think that it was developed to avoid the problem of the tube chafing the leader, and possibly also to ensure the hook stayed in line, but it also allows a fly to carry extra weight if needed (as in this instance). Modern lined tubes have eliminated the problem of chafing, so the Parker fly became redundant, if indeed it ever took off commercially! A nice little piece of history, again almost certainly from the 1960's.

Not quite clear about your description of the fly with three hooks - is it the blackish fly at the right hand end of the middle row of the left side of the box in your picture? If so that looks like a 'tandem' rig, which was quite often used for sea trout. These have either two or three hooks mounted astern, often with the second hook pointing upwards. You also have a couple of 'Worm Flies' in the box which were frequently tied on this rig.

Post any further questions here and I'll see if I can help with pattern identification etc.

PS, Fred, sorry to say it's not a Willie Gunn. Don't remember the date that fly was first tied, but it certainly wasn't popularised until somewhat later than the '60's. Also I think this fly lacks the orange hair of the true WG. I think it would probably have been sold as a 'Tosh'.
07-15-2003 03:03 PM
At least BobK can read

Yes, those two pics are the same fly. I myself thought it was ingenious. There were two tubes like this. Other had lead tubes instead of wrapped lead thread. The top hook is a waddington shank.

But, to give you exact details on the tube. What he did was used steel wire for the body. He strung it through the barrel swivel, the bead, and then the treble hook. He wrapped the lead wire around the bottom and top of the bead. Then, simply slide the tube over the barrel and away you go. Yes, the toothpick is there to keep the assembly together while in storage in the flybox. I agree, VERY cool idea. Makes change up really easy, and weights them down. Simply change the way you make your assemblies to make them weighted vs. unweighted.

Yeah, it already looks like either some have been torn by fish or moths have got to them. Probably a mixture. I do like that you can tell most of these have been fished. The wings have that wetted down appearance having been swung a few times.

But the rest of you, REREAD it!!!!!!!!!! :hehe:
07-15-2003 01:15 PM
Obviously a sharp idea!

Clever people, those orientals! (Or was that a Scot???)

07-15-2003 12:22 PM
Bob, you could be right ... or wrong?

But assuming the hook/wire body/lead wrap/etc., was all for a center core for sliding on a tube fly, what a heck of an ingenious idea. You could tie a smaller-more compact- fly and still adjust the weight of the thing by changing the center "module."

07-15-2003 11:27 AM
Hey, guys, check your "reading comprehension" ability...

Like the man said, he did the "full" and the "exploded" view of the fly!

My translation was that "exploded" view, the piece with bead and treble is the "removeable core", and that goes inside the "sleeve" (the external piece with the hair tied to it.

With both pieces assembled ("full"), that is the pic with the splinter of wood holding the core/sleeve together.

Sheesh! C'mon, guys, get with the program!:hehe:


PS - Nice collection, Steelheader! You did GOOD!
07-15-2003 10:56 AM
Willie Gunn Fred,
I think the tooth pick or piece of match is to hold the nylon attached to the treble to stop the fly falling off. Definately not part of the dressing, just a clever way of holding the fly in the box.

The other one looks like a devon minnow mount with that much lead byou could almost cast it on a fixed spool reel. A real cast and duck set up. Possibly for the Tweed in Autumn.
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