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07-18-2003 09:06 AM
jcc_00 Bill,

You are probably right, much as I hate to admit it. I have not experienced any fly that is more consistent than the GBS and a very few others. Although , like your Centfly example, we remain surprised often enough to keep searching and experimenting. I'm trying tube flies this week ....yikes.
07-17-2003 08:04 PM
wrke JCC

Way too many to get into here. We'd use up too much space. My suggestion is to read, experiment, tie whatever inspires you and try them. Quite frankly, the fish don't care that much.

And on seeing your post on the NUmpqua thread (my "home" steelhead river for about 30 years) all you probably need is a green butt skunk. And when you're on the river (if you absolutely must have more choices) go see Joe Howell (Blue Heron Flyfishing Shop). He'll tell you whatever he thinks is working on the river at the moment when you're there. He's a great guy.

bill
07-17-2003 07:42 PM
jcc_00 Bill,

What other specialty patterns do you have up your sleeve?
07-17-2003 04:22 PM
wrke JCC
14 double
Bill
07-17-2003 03:54 PM
jcc_00
Cent fly

Bill

What size hook is the Cent fly shrimp pattern in your photo image tied on?
07-08-2003 09:23 AM
Topher Browne Like WRKE, I like the Loop Bottle Tube (click on the rotating Loop banner at the lower left and go to "Hooks/Tubes"): Inland showed me a low-water fly tied on a Loop Bottle Tube used with great success during the late season on Kharlovka.

I fished the Matapedia and Bonaventure the last week of June or so. The fishing was slow on the Matapedia (we saw a fish roll in French Rock, and that was about it), but we landed three nice chromers on the upper sectors of the Bonaventure over three days, and hooked a couple more.

Conditions were tough--air temperatures in the nineties and a lot of competition on the river--and I saw no fish released besides our own.
07-08-2003 06:21 AM
jcc_00
Distraction

I'm guilty of significant distraction with this thread but the discussion has been very good. Glad to hear from all of you and so now someone just needs to give us all an update on the Gaspé and we can close out
07-07-2003 07:40 AM
BobK
My, my.....

And all of this came out of a simple post on "Update on Gaspe Fishing"!

I guess we do really "change subjects" from time to time, don't we!:hehe:

BobK
07-06-2003 12:29 PM
wrke Kush

Great suggestion about rod tips! I also tie so called "micro" tube flies using very small tubing. I'm sure I can probably find a rod tip around here somewhere. I'll give it a try.

But, the advantages with TRULY tiny flies don't seem as great as the disadvantages compared with slightly larger ones. Perhaps the flies might last a little longer, but they can't be as delicate or as complex (although small flies should never be too complex) as those tied directly on a hook. Although the little fly pictured with the penny is an extreme case when fishing for Atlantic salmon with fish of over 30 lbs in the river (hook size on that fly is a 14 double), IMHO it wouldn't be appropriate to tie it with a tube — it wouldn't be as delicate or complex (considering the hook used, junction tubing, etc). And what size hook would you use?

Incidentally in re-reading my earlier post with the little fly, it smacks of braggadocio — I didn't catch all 6 of those salmon. There were 6 of us on a pool on a very special salmon river in Russia. I only caught one of the fish. But all six were caught on that fly and the fly doesn't seem worse the wear for it.

At any rate, I like the suggestion of the graphite tubes.

Bill
07-06-2003 11:10 AM
kush Bill,

Micro tubes for patterns such as you show are regularly used in the UK, at least some of the articles I have read in the British publication Salmon and Trout would indicate.

As well I regularly tie super sparse low water tubes like Green Butt Spratleys. The trick is finding suitable tubing, get tubing that is thin and micro tubes are a snap. The best material I have found so far is graphite tubing (rod tips). I get mine from CND master - Nobuo Nodera, but I am sure that most of us have a number of sources of broken rod tips!
07-06-2003 09:24 AM
juro Sorry I didn't glean that from your posts. I meant to say that tube flies are very popular in the PNW, which is US / Canada - but not trebles. Was that your point?

Iceland sounds good. I almost went in 1996, but costs were too much for me. Besides I can do Washington, Oregon or BC on a showstring!

Caught a nice chromer on the way down to the Sandy River Spey Clave on a tube mini-summer intruder pattern, nordic single short. First pass thru the pool. Ah the memories.
07-06-2003 08:03 AM
jcc_00
Juro

JM,

I like the reduction of the leverage that the tube fly short shanked hook delivers. I was really trying to understand why the short-shanked tube fly is so popular in Europe but not really as
embraced here in the US. Bill's comment that it is just another method to try that can be very effective sometimes is likely is a good point - it is just curious to me that there is so much passion around tube flies outside the US. I probably just need to get out more - what do ya say, hit Iceland?
07-06-2003 07:51 AM
jcc_00
shrimp flies

Wrke,

Intriguing penny fly - that will be some fun to try. When you catch the right time it is amazing what can happen, sounds like that fly has a great day associated with it. Thanks Bill
07-06-2003 02:00 AM
flytyer wrke,

Glad to see someone else here on this side of the pond ties and uses small Irish Shrimp style flies in the summer. They are one of my favorites when rivers reach low-water flows in mid summer.
07-05-2003 05:19 AM
juro Jcc -

Two distinct advantages come from the de-coupling of the hook from the fly in tubes. This allows (1) replacement of a damaged hooked and more importantly to me (2) incredible stickiness to the hook because it's not part of a long stiff lever.

Trebles and doubles are rare in the US. Short shanked hooks like the Nordic single are popular in the pacific northwest and these are hard for fish to throw. You can search and find a ton of discussion on the topic in threads gone past.

Good luck
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