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05-02-2003 12:48 PM
flytyer Jake,

I agree wholeheartedly about the need for a shoulder on a marabou spider style of fly. Also, the face hackle of guinea, mallard, or teal causes a slight vortex that ads to the play of the marabou (or spey hackle if a spey or dee fly) in the water.
05-02-2003 01:22 AM

Kush PM on the way......

Fly Tyer.....I have to agree with Mike Kinney. Both he and Ed Ward have the right idea...the shoulder of the fly , if you will, props up any marabou or ostrich, creating a vortex for the water to flow over and really make the material dance in the water.

I use a dubbing brush of twin copper wires, with seals fur trapped in between the two wires for the shoulders of my flies. Alec Jackson demonstrated this in his Psuedo Speys. The brushes are made using the Nor Vise, which I just love tying with.

05-02-2003 01:07 AM
kush Jake,

Good looking flies! Why don't you PM me with the name - I'm dying to know.
05-01-2003 11:46 PM
flytyer As those of you who saw Mike Kinney tying at the Fly Fishing Show have seen, Mike ties a fly that has a pair of dry fly quality saddle feathers (grizzly natural or dyed) tied like this fly of Norseman.

Mike's fly uses marabou wrapped on the trailing hook and either a tube or a hook with the bend cut off for the front of the fly on which he ties a shoulder of dubbing and then wraps marabou and either dyed guinea or mallard flank as a face hackle. This fly of MIke's is a full 4 or 5 inches long and he uses this fly only for winter runs.

It is MIke's considered opinion that the stiff saddle hackles sticking our the rear of the fly entices steelhead to strike because it is a very visable but also somewhat subtle visual cue that triggers an aggressive strike response.
05-01-2003 11:31 PM
loco_alto the issue with Intruder pattern is no longer in the stores. I'll fake it. thanks.
05-01-2003 09:27 PM
Last one

And the last one....

05-01-2003 09:27 PM
And another

The second one

05-01-2003 09:26 PM

Here is the first one.

05-01-2003 06:24 PM
Sorry Ted

Forgot the period behind www

Nightshift is just to tough on the body now.

05-01-2003 05:15 PM
Correct site for fly
05-01-2003 04:14 PM

Having trouble shrinking the image enough to fit, and still see it.

Log onto.

and click on newletters ( left side of margin) then go to June 2002. Scroll down to near the bottom of the pdf file and it should show the fly...somtimes takes 10-15 seconds to load the pdf if you are on cable.


If this doesnt work out too well I will take a couple of digital photo's of the bastardized versions that I am tying, and post them tonight when I return to work.

Sorry guys you will have to log onto the BCFFF site to see it can't reduce it enough.

Posting my versions tonight.....

05-01-2003 12:30 PM
flytyer Norseman,

Send me a PM with the name of the fly, and I'll let you know if it is OK to post the original name.
05-01-2003 10:23 AM
kush Jake,

I can't get the photo to come up as a pdf.
05-01-2003 09:42 AM
Sorry .....made a mistake

Steve.....the magazine is Fish and Fly however, I stand corrected the correct one was Winter 2002 ..not Spring 2003.

Tyler....I agree the tube is by far the easiest way to tie this one. I have been buying the 1/8th ID ( inside diameter) air brake line from Lordco Automotive supply....the fellow gets it in for me 50' at a cents a foot.

I have also been soaking the pheasant tails overnight....then stripping the barbs from the center of the quill....comes off in a really nice single piece, rather than splitting the quill with a razor.

I have also been tying some pretty cool looking flies previously called a name I will not repeat here for fear of being deleted...needless to say the fly has been renamed the SELECTOR..I have adapted them to the Tube and adapted the use of the intruder concept ...Ostrich and all.

Click on the link to and scroll down the pdf. file to see the fly.

It is tied on a barrel swivel...something I found very frustrating, you guessed it...I tie it on a tube and use the juntion tube to pull the swivel up inside of it...allows for the hook to trail to whatever length I like

Best regards....Jake
05-01-2003 09:13 AM
kush Steve,

I agree with Jake, get ahold of that article - it is the best instruction available (except from Ed himself).

Jake, well not 10 minutes, but certainly not the 45-50 minutes it used to take! I have found that advanced prep of the pheasant tail really helps, I'll split 2 0r 3 tails all at once which make things easier. As well, tying on tubes is much more streamlined than on a shank, I don't have to fiddle around with the mono loop. But still, it is 25-30 minutes/fly.
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