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12-20-2000 08:18 AM
RE:Flyfisherman and women NEEDED


Congratulations on finding a way to fish more and have it categorized as work (visual observation to validate reliability of reported data).

Feel free to send me a survey form- but I'm also going to want to see a copy of the paper at the end.

12-19-2000 09:16 AM
RE:Flyfisherman and women NEEDED

Well it's pretty clear that this is on the level, I'd be happy to participate. I'll fill in the survey and hope others do too.

You know the old joke "doc, it hurts when I do this"... doc says "don't do that!". Well, that won't work for me.

I would like to ask a couple questions:

When I teach someone how to cast, I always advise to keep the elbow close to the body when learning. I use the metaphor of an ol' timer smoking a pipe and holding the Saturday paper under the armpit on the rod side to reach a rise. Not touching the side, but comfortably downward. Of course when extending the stroke for long distance casts, the arm extends along the loop vector to the rear; and of course when taming a tailing loop the arm carries forward to point the thumb to the target - but through the middle of the power stroke the elbow should not be out away from the body.

I've heard that an extended arm through the casting stroke contributes to shoulder soreness, and I've found (anecdotally speaking) this to be true.

Is there any basis in medical science for this?
12-18-2000 11:07 PM
RE:Flyfisherman and women NEEDED

Thanks for your interest. I appreciate your concern over the content and
hypothesis of this project. I will send the questions in a leter email.
But to address your concerns..

First, I would like to see if it is possible to perform a survey via email
and internet that has any validity (by statistical definitions). I recently
attended the Eastern Orthopaedic Association meeting and one of the papers
presented was on the medical and orthopaedic content on the internet, how
acurate and valuable it was, etc. That got me thinking, if one could target
a specific group of enthusiastic people in a specific field of interest, say
flyfishing (my personal passion), then it should be possible via email and
internet to perform a survey on the prevalance and incidence of orthopaedic
conditions. So, first goal is to see if it is possible to generate enough
data on-line to do a reasonable study.

Second, from my own personal experience, and that of the frequent complaints
of fishing friends and buddies, there may be (are) certain ailments that
occur in the flyfisherman/woman more frequently than in the overall
population. I would lke to see if that is true and see what this group of
people do to be able to continue to do what they enjoy, flyfishing.

Hope it sounds as exciting to you as it does to me, and I also hope that
with the free-speech, free-iinternet stuff, that nooone scoops my ideas.
Anyway, the responses have been encouraging, as I suspected internet
anglers, especially long-rodders are a willing and friendly group that love
to talk fishing, even if its about there back pain or elbow problems.

Lastly, there is NO financial or personal gain incentive behind this
project, everything is strictly above the board.

If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me, if you
would like I will keep you abreast of the reults. Again, I will send you
the questions on the next mailing.

As always, tight lines!!

Keith Berend, MD
12-18-2000 06:50 PM
RE:Flyfisherman and women NEEDED

Dr. Berend - as the son of a doctor and the brother of another two doctors, I would be pleased to offer my assistance toward your studies. I hope everyone else feels the same way, but before I do, can you please provide more detail on any hypothesis behind this research? Unfortunately, there is so much information being taken from the public today, and it is so often used in a manner that does not serve those who provide it. Just a little assurance would be all I need to get started.


12-17-2000 09:18 PM
Flyfisherman and women NEEDED

I am a senior orthopaedic surgery resident attempting to do a study on the incidence of pain and orthopaedic problems in people who flyfish.
I am looking for volunteers to complete a simple email questionare about pain, orthopaedic problems, and of course flyfishing.

Your information will be confidential and very helpful to this project. If anyone is interested, please email me at and I will send you the questions. Simply answer and send them back.

Thank you in advance for your help with what I hope will be an interesting project.

Keith Berend, MD

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