Fly Fishing Forum - Reply to Topic
>> Archive: Bonefish/Tarpon Flies Flats candy, mangrove magic

Thread: Dick Brown Report Reply to Thread
Title:
  
Message:
Post Icons
You may choose an icon for your message from the following list:
 

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Fly Fishing Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Additional Options
Miscellaneous Options
Rate Thread
If you like, you can add a score for this thread.

Topic Review (Newest First)
03-17-2005 10:12 AM
old geezer
Velcro Crab

This is easy and a killer pattern

Philip
02-03-2005 09:04 AM
JusBones
Vol Field Testing

I am no expert.............however, i would be glad to "Field test" any of the above great looking patterns on Abaco this April......
02-02-2005 12:50 PM
GOTCH
NOISY ENTRY

IN REGARDS TO MAKING TOO MUCH NOISE SOME OF US THINK IT SCARES OFF THE FISH SOMETIMES IT DOES OTHER TIMES IT DOESN'T A SIMPLE SOLUTION TO THIS IS TO TIE UP FLIES USING THE SAME HOOK WITH DIFFERENT SIZE EYES AND ALSO DIFFEREN'T TYPES OF EYES. WATER DEPTH/WIND CONDITIONS(CHOPPY WATER) AND HOW AGGRESSIVE A FISH IS AND ALSO WATER CLARITY ALL PLAY A PART IN WHAT YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH. oN A TRIP TO THE BAHAMAS IT WAS VERY WINDY AND THE WATER WAS VERY CHOPPY AND THE BONEFISH BECAME EXTREMELY SKITTISH WHICH BAFFLED US BECAUSE YOU WOULD THINK THAT CHOPPY/NOISEY WATER WOULD DULL THEIR SENSES HOWEVER AFTER OBSERVING THIS HAPPENING WE SWITCHED THE SIZE OF OUR EYES (SMALLER SIZE ) AND WERE BACK INTO FISH AS TO WHY THIS HAPPENED I CAN'T TELL YOU BUT I BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE OF THE EXTRA NOISE FROM THE CHOPPY WATER THE BONEFISH BECAME EXTRA ALERT OF NOISES AS THEY ARE CONSTANTLY BEING PREYED ON BY SHARKS/BIRDS OR WHATEVER ELSE EATS THEM AND IF YOU WERE DEAF YOU WOULD RELY ON YOUR OTHER SENSES BECAUSE THEY WOULD BECOME STRONGER BONEFISH HAVE HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO EVOLVE THEIR SENSES AND SURVIVAL METHODS/DEFFENSES SO THE SPLASH FROM THE EYES ON THAT CHOPPY DAY SCARED THEM MAYBE THEY THOUGHT IT WAS SOMETHING AFTER THEM. OTHER TIMES USED BIG FLIES/BIG EYES EVEN IN QUIET CONDITIONS AND HAD NO PROBLEM. HOPE THIS HELPS
03-26-2003 06:18 AM
flyfisha1 Tied another crab up the other night, this time I used white acrylic caulk from Lowe's to coat the underside and cover the dumbbells. I'm not sure if the coating will have any impact on the noise made during entry, however I also tied this on a number 6 rather than the number 2 that I tied the previous fly on, so it's much smaller. I'll tie a few more of each up using this "technique".
Quick question regarding the noise made during entry: if you were casting using more of a side-arm stroke, rather than over-head or off-shoulder, the fly would have less distance to drop to the water on the completion of the cast. Wouldn't this at least help compensate for some of the noise and spalsh created as the fly touches down on the water surface?
03-25-2003 10:36 PM
ssully John,

Just a thought but have you considered replacing the dumbell eyes with bead chain to cut the weight? Sili-skin may work as a substitute for the epoxy also. Again just a thought for a bones version. It is a beautiful fly.

I can't wait to field try my sluggo umm.. er ..ah ...siliskin sandeel this year. ;-) I know it's gonna kick a$$ on stripers.

Mackeral chunk fly in the works. It's heavy as hell though.
03-19-2003 10:04 AM
striblue Looks Great!... I thought of furry foam... but will do something different to keep it in the Crab Apple style... The foam without the epoxy and the feathers over without epoxy has decreased the weight substantially and I will also make something to cushion the dumbells... I will make sure I am using the Pheasant feathers for claws since that is an integral part of the uniqueness of the crab.
03-19-2003 06:42 AM
flyfisha1 And the underside, which is admitedly rough, but I haven't had much time to work on this pattern lately. Subsequent versions will be a little more refined, I'm sure.
Hook is a standard SW stainless hook, in this case a size 2 811S.
Carapace is white craft foam (adhesive back), on top of which was placed a pair of webby hackles.
Legs and claws are badger hackles.
Eyes are melted 50-lb. mono.
Mouth is hot orange flashabou and tan marabou.

I already have a list of aspects that need to be changed and/or refined for the future of this "pattern"; once again, this stems from Striblue's crab apples and the standing crab.
03-19-2003 06:35 AM
flyfisha1 Another...
03-19-2003 06:34 AM
flyfisha1 Okay, a few pics of my crabby pattern, which I have dubbed the "Pi$$ed-Off Crab", as it appears to be in the defensive posture and makes noise, which could be similar to the sounds of the crab's exoskeleton moving as the creature flees from hungry predators.
03-18-2003 10:22 AM
flyfisha1 How about using "fuzzy foam" as the carapace material? Light, slightly buoyant, could be used with no epoxy.
I tied a variation of one of your crab apples last week; this one stands up in the defensive posture, doing so by leaning on a rattle rather than using monofilament to "make a stand" (as some other patterns do). I'll get a couple of pics of it tonight. This fly was designed for redfish, snook, tarpon, and stripers, more than it was for bones or permit. This is the first crab fly I've ever tied that I can truly be proud of. I would imagine that the noise created by "spalsh down" of this fly would spook some of the more wary flats fish... I'd rather hook a jack than a bonefish, anyway.
03-18-2003 08:58 AM
striblue Yes Eddie..I am thinking that also and will experiment.. I will keep my striper crab as is since I know that works..but the idea of adding the feather is good. I know I have seen some crabs with the feather only..but I will do it different.. maybe a soft body of yarn to support the top feathers. I will keep Dick brown in the loop as I try to perfect this... I am looking for Volunteers in the next month or so who are going to the Bahamas and I will have several prototypes with these changes to try out...
03-18-2003 07:16 AM
Eddie John, I was wondering if the foam forces you to add more weight to counter the bouant nature of the foam. Do you think the fly would be lighter and sink faster if you used anothe material? Less weight = less slpash. I wonder if you could tie the fly all feather? Maybe stiffened up with...I don't know. Glue Gun?
Also, I noticed when testing my shrimp fly that it sank well in fresh(tap)water, but I needed to add weight for salt.
I love the legs and claws.
03-17-2003 10:00 PM
striblue Eddie..I started thinking and doing tonight.. this one is on a size 4 hook and has no significant epoxy, lighter and smaller legs, smaller claws (which I am not sure I like),There is a tuft of rabbit fur around the dumbells to soften a landing and the the only epoxy is very little on the bottom and a drop to secure the hackle feather on top of the foam. I will now be comparing it to the old blue by droping them both into the water as many times as I can to see if I can tell any differences.
03-17-2003 07:29 PM
Eddie while you are redesigning, consider that Del Brown uses no head cement or epoxy on his crabs. He belives that the scent puts off permit. If you are making a crab fly, think permit too(every crab fly aspires to fool a permit one day). I will be going to Belize on a permit fishing trip in Aug. I would be happy to test out a patern.
03-17-2003 07:01 PM
striblue Thanks Juro... I am already changing it in my mind.... a smaller carapace,, with the olive feather on top but no carapace epoxy,,, the dunbell eyes will be wrapped in some soft yarn. It will be significantly lighter,,but the concept will stay the same..but with no heavy epoxy,,,,,
This thread has more than 15 replies. Click here to review the whole thread.

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:19 AM.



Copyright Flyfishingforum.com (All Rights Reserved)