|03-27-2003 09:41 AM|
Using a Steelhead for dogfood is a total waste of a regal fish. Why stop at hatchery fish. Since Steelhead are not a natural GL species, may as well kill every one to feed the bloody hounds.
I have not intentionally killed a Steelhead since the late 80's, that fish can be caught again.
The DNR stocks smolts, only fishermen can (re)stock adult fish. Recycle the resource, for once it is gone its gone.
As to natural repro. I have talked to some bio. guys who said there was some on a very very small scale. The feeder creeks, is where it happens. I have caught many 8-10" browns in some of those areas. They did not get there by magic.
|03-27-2003 07:31 AM|
Saw one character stalking the bank with a Rhino Rod loaded for catfish. Wonder what "sporting" ideas he had in mind?
Then there was the gang of teens who were packing bass gear. They made so much ruckus I don't think they noticed the waves that kept moving away, wherever they went. :hehe:
P.s. I stand corrected with regard to an earlier post. I asked one of the fisheries biologists and he confirmed that they no longer clip adipose fins.
That same biologist also assured me there was no natural reproduction in Trail so... if Hal collects his "dogfood" from there he won't have to worry that he is depleting the gene-pool
|03-27-2003 06:04 AM|
Trail is like the 6th strret dam, only smaller. But swamp it is not. I fished it hard back in the 80's, the only time the area was real muddy was after a good rain.
As to the lleches part, never saw or heard of any in all the years I fished there. it is too polluted. I imagine there are some but nott too many.
Quit fishing Trail back when i realized that all you are doing is killing those big summer runs every time you release one. Did not want to turn them into dog food like some of us.
|03-26-2003 11:11 PM|
It is a catfish ditch.....looks like it's full of leeches and would not contain a trace of chrome. I understand it is very muddy from the runoff and high amounts of chalky, mineral deposits. I also heard that some tribs pour out ice cold water from the springs, which is why the creeks in that area contain many skamania in the summer.
Never fished it, wouldn't want to if I didn't know steelhead could be found there.
Cmon, we all know Michigan has alot better rivers!
|03-26-2003 10:44 PM|
Where I fished it was muddy, swampy, and trashed by the fisherman. Me and my South Bend buddy said to our selves what are we doing here ? I would rather golf than fish there, maybe even go to work in lieu of fishing ! Just not the type of creek I would plan on spending a day fly fishing. Too bad it has a lot of fish at times, but I am over hooking a lot of fish.
|03-26-2003 09:57 PM|
The town has grown and peopel are finally working, which is good for them.
Trail was a dumping ground in the 40's and 50's for the mills and chemical plants. There are spots on trail that are fenced off for no apparent reason. Until you see the EPA there taking ground samples. They buried barrells of chemicals there back then.
As to Trail being a swamp, that statement shows you never really fished there. You are off on the swamp thing way off.
|03-26-2003 09:24 PM|
Thats a good idea, I take my 10 weight salmon rod to try and keep them out of the log jams and brush piles. Its combat fishing their sometimes, but you can hook a lot of fish at times, notice I did not say land them. Got to remember to pack the pink plastic worms I picked up last year after the PNW guys reminded me about how effective they are for steelhead out there. Put one of them on and swim it down into those brush piles and hold on.
Thats what I mean, it has not improved at all since the early 80s. Plus there is less fish and more fisherman.
Personally I will drive a little further for my fishing and only stop there on the way home (If I am desparate!) if it is not crowded.
Heck I would rather go carp fly fishing than put up with that swamp in the summer time.
|03-26-2003 08:52 PM|
I was thinking of taking my 15" 11wt, tieing on a hank of fifty lb superbraid and swimming live nightcrawlers through the teeny weeny brushpiles.:hehe: Maybe on a 5/0 stainless saltwater hook? Or should I go 7/0?
p.s. Thanks for reminding me, I need to renew my FFF.
|03-25-2003 07:19 PM|
This summer trail was at it lowest level in years.
Been going to that area since 82 and saw many changes there. they straightened out Liberty Trail, built a casino, yuupie ville condos, a huge dump off of 421, had three major chemical spills which harmed the river, contained 4 toxic dumps and last but not least built 2 new sewage plants. Not too mention all the new homes built there. Also major shopping areas off 421 that leach into trail.
It changed a lot if you ask me.
|03-25-2003 05:05 PM|
I don't know, I was there this summer it did not look much better than when I fished it a lot in the early 80s when I lived in South Bend.
|03-25-2003 04:56 PM|
As I said before Trail is not like that, it is not really swampy. The other rivers are. Trail runs thru a major Indy. town. It gets sprayed polluted and dumped in enough to kill all nasty critters.
You'd get cancer before you catch west nile there.
|03-25-2003 03:45 PM|
I would not trust those governmental statistics, particularly for those mucky swamp bug infested rivers. To much risk for fellow like me with family responsibilities, etc... You younger fellows can have them. I will be there in the winter though when the bugs are gone.
Pat, don't worry let us know next time you are coming up and we will point you in the right direction. Thats the least another fellow FFF member can do for each other.
|03-25-2003 02:10 PM|
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|03-25-2003 02:06 PM|
Indiana had 3 times less cases than Illinois. Look it up the answer is out there.
|03-25-2003 10:36 AM|
Dangerous with our high rate of West Niles virus in this area, one of the highest in the nation the last I heard. My skin is tough though, it will take a tough mosquito to penetrate.
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