|03-04-2003 04:54 AM|
|removed_by_request||I meant with the powers that be. They come up with bright ideas that dim over time.|
|03-03-2003 10:28 PM|
"Like all heated issues this one ran it's course."
True...to a certain degree.
Sorry, I haven't been on the computer much lately. From what I have heard the MDNR is now looking more towards not changing the reg. Too many people were questioning their data regarding fish counts and mortality. The major factor is apparently the fact that is just hasn't been long enough, under the current reg, to draw any firm conclusions. At a minimum the current reg will stand for at least this upcoming trout season.
|03-02-2003 05:46 PM|
|removed_by_request||Like all heated issues this one ran it's course.|
|03-02-2003 11:15 AM|
Lipripper or any one else
Whats the latest on this issue ?
|02-04-2003 06:16 PM|
The same thing happens in the PM, Big and little Man, Betsie etc.
It happens, one plus is that it has been happening for a long time. Guess what? We still have good returns of fish to enjoy.
Fish that survive to adult hood are special fish, strong and wary. It's all part of the learning curve.
I don't hold nothing against bait guys, they paid for the right to fish the way they know how. Downside they kill most fish young, old, and inbetween.
Getting ticked off at them promotes the elitist fly fisher attitude. If thats what Fly fishing is about instead of sharing, then we all missed the point.
|02-04-2003 04:06 PM|
I had always thought the MO had wild steelhead. Wild smolts stay in the river two years at least so the bait flingers will have their day with deep gutted fish. Makes me sick to think about it further.
|02-04-2003 02:23 PM|
I posed the smolt question to the MDNR. The response I got is that the smolts are gone when they hit 8". Here is what I found interesting. They didn't argue the point that the river produces smolts....naturally. So we have a population of naturally reproducing steelhead in the Mo now eh? They didn't deny it in a letter that I have. Too warm for trout....but, not too warm for Juevenille steelhead? Hmmm.....
MJ's is right too. Those poor souls get POUNDED by commorants at the mouths. Heck you should see all the Eagles and Osprey on the Mo. How about the biggest smolt killer though......Mommy and Daddy!
|02-04-2003 11:01 AM|
Probably not as many compared to the bloody commorants.
You have to figure PNW fish get preyed upon by otters, eagles, and seals not to mention bigger fish. The also get commercially fished(we don't have that issue) so it may all even out.
Not much to do about it, wish it would change but people pay for that right. Perhaps a barbless hook reg. may help.
This just gets into more and more regulations which are useless if not enforced.
Best option educate them and you will have a smarter and more concerned fisherman.
|02-04-2003 10:55 AM|
How many MO steelhead smolts will be killed by the increased bait flingers ? How depressing.
|02-04-2003 03:32 AM|
|removed_by_request||Nothing tops a perch or walleye.|
|02-03-2003 10:14 PM|
Stream resident trout are OK, but I am too lazy to keep, clean, and cook them, etc.. So they all go back.
|02-03-2003 06:39 PM|
|removed_by_request||The only two great lakes (Lake Michigan) fish I have ever eaten and would today is smelt and perch. Both very tasty fare especially chased with a good brew or two.|
|02-03-2003 04:42 PM|
I have not eaten a great lakes fish since 1984.
|02-03-2003 04:01 PM|
Rick Oneil is the Muskegon River Biologist for the MDNR. I would direct your comments to him. They dropped it in as kind of a side note at the beginning of the meeting and everyone was kinda like "Huh?" "Did he just say that?"
I think their next move is to make eveyone fish with cane poles and corn. We got us a real good trout pond up here in Michigan!!! All the 10" trout it'll take to fill yer belly!
|02-03-2003 01:57 PM|
Those Lake run pigs are loaded with bad stuff. They will take their toll on any one fool enough to eat them.
Perhaps a compromise would be in oreder, let them keep 1 or 2 fish a day no more no less. It is a far side better than 5.
I was suprised by the amout of Mi. and Ind. guys who keep and eat them. Never would have figured it was that many.
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