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02-08-2003 12:51 PM
SDHflyfisher they don't get paid that much either but $ isn't the reason people take those kinds of jobs hell i'd do it for free if they gave me everything that i need to survive here in WI there are plenty of jobs in that line of work and if read the thread on CT license prices going up i can live out there with my grandparent for free well i'd get my own place sooner or later. they live in N. Cannon and that is 5 minute from the Mass. border get to the farmington is 30 minutes live within walking distance to the blackberry and a few minutes from the Housy.
02-08-2003 10:55 AM
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He was a forestry graduate from Michigan State. He was working for a forestry contracting service since it was very difficult to get a full time forestry job at one park. He said that much of the forestry technical work is now outsourced to contract firms.

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You do what the above means?

He was a college grad. working for peanuts. Those contractors keep the $$ and pass very little on.

Too bad for him, but the gov. probablt saves some money doing it that way. No bennies, perks, vacay pay, insurance, etc.

Sad sign of the times.
02-08-2003 08:23 AM
pmflyfisher Heres a picture of a small back woods part of Spear Fish Canyon we hiked. This is where we met the young forestry worker and talked in that meadow.

The cliffs in the background are just before the area they filmed the closing scene of Dances with Wolves.

Imagine that being your office to work in each day !
02-08-2003 07:52 AM
pmflyfisher I think thats true what Bob is saying. This summer when out in the Black Hills, SD I was hiking a wilderness area in Spear Fish Creek Canyon in the northern black hills with two of my sons.

One beautiful area where they filmed scenes from Dances with Wolves. A matter of fact the closing scene in the picture when Keving Costner is riding up into the canyon to go away with his indian wife from the US Calvary was right where we were. Awesome scenery, maybe will post a picture for you today.

Any way when we were walking the trail I saw this young fellow with a back pack and clip board with books. At first I though he was a trout fisherman. On our way back we ran into him again and we talked.

He was a forestry graduate from Michigan State. He was working for a forestry contracting service since it was very difficult to get a full time forestry job at one park. He said that much of the forestry technical work is now outsourced to contract firms. Who performed projects for state and federal forests. They would be on a project 3-6 months located in one of our forests, doing research on the quality of the forests. So he was travelling a couple of times a year to a new location.

What a great job. I watched him take samples of ponderosa pines and another variety.

What a job walking around the beautiful natinal forests all day by your self and geting paid for it. Plus he was a fly fisherman, mountain biker and skier and got to do all of that he wanted to.

He might be at the Grand Canyon now. That is where he said he was heading next. So if that is your dream job I say don't be deterred in pursuing it.

Great job for a young single guy, if you are married not so great though.

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02-08-2003 12:13 AM
BobK
Hey, SDH

What do you mean, "only a sophomore"? That's GREAT! There are many who wish they were your age again, and could do it RIGHT this time! Just keep at it - and keep doing a good job!

By the way, I have known forest rangers - and it is NOT just about watching for fires, etc. Most of them had to learn about forest diseases, insects, etc - very same biology you talk about.

There is only one downside currently in a fishery biology or forestry background - there is no requirement. Currently, state budgets are down, and there are early retirements with no backfill. I hear this from state fisheries biologists that I have casual conversation with. Don't know if there is an end in sight, but I do know that there currently are lots of unemployed recent graduates - and some very good ones!

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but better to know now!

BobK
02-07-2003 08:20 PM
removed_by_request Hell what good is a 12ga if you can't drop a birdie now and then.
02-07-2003 06:52 PM
Tony Petrella
a wonderful life

I truly feel sorry for people who don't hunt and fish. Those PETA types who rant and rave all the time really don't understand what it means to be an outdoorsman.

They walk around in ultra-expensive pseudo-outdoors clothing, blathering and slobbering about how hook & bullet guys like me are destroying the poor little piggly-wigglies and warm-fuzzies.

In reality, starting with President Teddy Roosevelt, it's been the hunters and anglers of America who saved countless species from wanton slaughter in the name of "market gunning" for restautant fare, or indiscriminate netting of fish for the same purpose. Deer, turkey, I can't even begin to list the wild game that's been "saved" by outdoorsmen in their various conservation groups, or license fees, or the Dingell-Johnson tax we pay on all fishing tackle.

Oooops--soapbox time again! Sorry. Suffice to say that being a game warden, forestry guy, or biologist is a rewarding and very worthwhile endeavor.

CapT
02-07-2003 03:46 PM
SDHflyfisher i've thought about being a forest ranger
02-07-2003 03:39 PM
pmflyfisher To think in high school I wanted to be a forest ranger and sit on one of those western fire towers alone watching for fires !

Look what I turned out to be a corporate guy a capitalist !!

Fly fishing and other outdoor activities keeps me in the outdoors where I really wanted to work.

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02-07-2003 03:23 PM
SDHflyfisher like i have stated before i want to be a fisheries biologist thought about entemology but changed my mind there are way too many bugs out there to memorize. i'm pretty good at math too but as good as i am in science. as a matter of fact i'm going to kill myself next year by taking chemistry and physics at the same time i'm doing this so i can take APbiology my senior year yep that's right i'm only a sofmore.
02-07-2003 05:56 AM
removed_by_request I was told this a very long time ago and it still holds true today.

Work a job that you love, for if you do you will never work another day in your life..
02-06-2003 07:40 PM
BobK
Attn: SDHflyfisher

Pick a field which is really needed, AND THAT YOU ENJOY! A career is a job that you spend the rest of your life at. But it should be FUN as well.
Sciences are good (I am a retired chemist/manager). By the way, so is math. Why math? Well, for starters, QUALITY is the byword today, and it uses a lot of mathematicians for the statistics and process/product controls. Environment control, too! Lots of fun, as well.
Science is great - I spent a lot of my career doing pollution abatement and managing an environmental engineering group. I am proud of a lot of my accomplishments, as well as my co-workers.

BobK
02-06-2003 07:26 PM
Tony Petrella
muskies

I will check out your fish story. Being an old writer myself, I always enjoy a good yarn. It doesn't even really have to have much in the way of facts or truehoods--'long as it's a right good spin.

Yep, Bill Sherer is big on muskies. He guides up there, and sells a whole bunch of flies that he ties for 'em. I don't catch many trout out in front of my house that are as big as the musky flies he ties.

CapT
02-06-2003 07:05 PM
pmflyfisher Tony

Bill Sherer will be at my local fly shop a week from Saturday actually I am afraid to go, may get hooked on chasing musky again but this time with long rod.

Check out my story in the archives about the Big Hawg I lost on Petes Bar on The Chip. Put "Musky" in the search engine and it should come up. True story I kid you not, I have not musky fished since, I figured whats the point nothing will ever equal that one and the experience of TRYING to fight it.

I hear Bill specializes in muskies on the fly in the North Woods ?

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P.S. The thread with that story is in the Pacific Northwest Steelhead section, the thread is titled "In The Zone. Putting in musky in the search engine will bring it up for you. Let me know what you think ?
02-06-2003 06:12 PM
Tony Petrella
education

You'll never go wrong with a degree in the sciences. No matter what else happens in the world, there always will be a need for chemists, biologists and such.

Keep up the good work!

CapT
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