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04-18-2002 07:14 AM
capt_gordon
there's this

Watch out for these:
04-18-2002 07:11 AM
capt_gordon
Probably right

However that is you. Remember that most people aren't the angler that you are ( I am guessing ) I have to make allowances for my clients and their abilities. Having said that, I know that a streamer that imitates a salmon smolt fished down and across any variety of ways can attract an awful lot of attention in Alaskan rivers at the right time, and very aggressive strikes too, from very big fish. I am talking about the kind of strikes that snap 8 - 10 pound tippet right away!!:eyecrazy: I'll have a lot of 12 pound flourocarbon specifically for that purpose this year. Stream bred rainbows (not steelhead) as long as your arm! Vicious fishes...I am dreaming of them right now......................
04-18-2002 07:02 AM
juro Meaning no disrespect.... any way to fish this river without splitshots, indicators and egg "flies"? I fish rivers with far less fish than a typical AK stream, never use that stuff and catch plenty of fish to keep entertained and sometimes even ecstatic.

Maybe it's just me but those techniques are better performed with conventional tackle and "gear" fishing leads one further away from perfecting the time-tested techniques of flyfishing as developed over the centuries. In other words, if using bobbers, weights and egg lures, why use a flyrod at all?

Could be out on a limb here but I'd wager if I fished that river with my floaters and sinktips, swimming flies to move fish to the fly (verses fly to the fish) I would do just fine.

A nice compromise is to use a beadhead nymph below a stimulator or elkcaddis, acheives the same effect but using flies either of which fish will eat, no lead nor bobber. I guess it's an individual call.

.02
04-18-2002 06:40 AM
capt_gordon
You're welcome

Henrik, I am glad to help. I reread my post and it barely scratches the surface; you'll want lots of split shot sinkers, strike indicators for nymphing and egging (the yarn ones seem to work best for me), bring a fly tying kit, and lots of other things I can't think of right now. Alaska is amazing. you will love it. I won't be around a computer for the next few days now, so good luck.
04-18-2002 01:39 AM
TRHM
Re: Lake Creek

Hello Capt_Gordon

Thanks a million!.. that brought me a lot closer to my decision..

Now i know how the kids feel for crismas.. man.. i cant wait..

Thanks again

Henrik
04-17-2002 08:42 PM
capt_gordon
bugs

I second the thoughts on bugs. Pretty thick. You may see a black bear or two also.
Juro,
I try hard not to get too locked into any one thing and stay versatile. It's definitely fun and I am starting to rack up the ff miles.
04-17-2002 06:36 PM
fredaevans
Loved fishing Lake Creek lo those many years ago BUT!!!

With all the talk of which rods you've forgotten the most important "gear" for that particular stream: CANS AND CANS AND CANS of bug juice. Had two of the buggers land,one on each shoulder, and peer around my head and one asked the other if we should eat him here, or take him home for dinner later.

Although it's been years since I've been there (doing the 'mid-night sun trip fly in at 6, guy picks you up at 6) the pilot said best fishing would be from 10pm til 2am. Little to show for it until 10:01 and it was one fish after the other. 201am ... it was like someone threw a switch. zip, nadda, nothing. Never seen anything like it before or since.

Other than that gear suggestions are top of the line.
04-17-2002 06:01 PM
juro Gordon you are a man of many talents!
04-17-2002 03:42 PM
capt_gordon
Lake Creek

Henrik,
I guide on the Talachulitna River every summer. It is right next door to Lake Creek. 4 wt for grayling. 6 wt for rainbows and red salmon. 8 wt for coho and 10 wt for king. If you are there in June there won't be any coho but lots of kings. No need for two handed rod. The river isn't that big. Not exceptionally deep either. I can get to the salmon with a floating line and a weighted bunny leech; black, purple, orange. Rainbows will get up and chase salmon smolt patterns (streamers) and if spawning salmon are present, egg patterns. Bring lots of nymphs, stoneflies and mayflies; Hare's Ear and Montana nymphs. Elk wing caddis and Royal Trude dry flies for grayling.
04-17-2002 03:22 PM
TRHM Hello there again
I'm not sure im dooing this right.. but here it goes!..

We are gooing for King Salmon.. what you guys call coho??...I'm bringing my T&T #6 for trout and greyling.. but for the Kings i will propaply go for the Loop blueline 14 foot #9-10...

Thanks a lot for all your replyes..

We are staying in tent.. It's quite no luxus.. but i like it that way.. 10 days of fishing all day long.. No phone, no TV no nothing but fishing :-)

Shold you ever come do Denmark dont hesitate to give me at buzz. i will be happy to guide you around..

wkr
Henrik

Quote:
Originally posted by gordonf
If this is the Lake Creek I think it is you will probably want to bring some rods that are appropriately matched for trout fishing. When I was there I thought the best fishing to be had was for the rainbow and grayling. I caught rainbow trout to about 6 lbs, but most were in the 16-20 inch range. A 15 foot double-hander would be massive overkill for this kind of sport. Also, my experience agrees with Nate’s observation, egg-sucking leeches are the ticket on these rivers. Are you staying at the lodge or floating?
04-17-2002 02:22 PM
gordonf If this is the Lake Creek I think it is you will probably want to bring some rods that are appropriately matched for trout fishing. When I was there I thought the best fishing to be had was for the rainbow and grayling. I caught rainbow trout to about 6 lbs, but most were in the 16-20 inch range. A 15 foot double-hander would be massive overkill for this kind of sport. Also, my experience agrees with Nate’s observation, egg-sucking leeches are the ticket on these rivers. Are you staying at the lodge or floating?
04-17-2002 03:04 AM
Nate Bailey Most of my fishing in alaska was on small rivers so I might not be much help. I used a 5wt sage for dollies, pinks, and reds, and a 7wt for silvers, one thing for shure take some purple egg sucking leaches with you. ...............Nate
04-16-2002 10:13 PM
juro Welcome Henrik!

I don't have direct experience with where you are going but I have my share of hours on pacific northwest rivers and could offer some comments...

The Loop gear sounds great, you're clearly going to be well-equipped in the rod and reel department.

As far as lines:

By June it will be just as important that you can cover the water well, control the line speed and swing, and present properly for each pool a it is to get down vertically. By then there should be plenty of opportunity to fish away from the bottom and the additional flexibility provided by a sinktip system would get my vote.

I'd guess that you are targeting sockeye, summer steelhead, springer kings, trout, and ocean coho at that time. Summer steelhead, trout etc will move for a fly, the other species will require really slowing the presentation down except for the ocean coho which are going to be best pursued with a single hander and they like it strip-retrieved.

If your question is about Spey shooting heads or longer belly lines with a loop for tips, this could boil down to being a matter of preference for June fishing. I don't think you'll need to have the hi-density tip throwing difference of the shooting head that time of year.

Please feel free to elaborate on your upcoming adventure and I'm sure the replies from others will help you decide on a line choice.

welcome again,
Juro
04-16-2002 02:56 AM
TRHM
Gear for Alaska!!

Hello Fellow fishermenn

I'm travelling to Alaska (lake creek) in 2 month and i was wondering what type of setup some of you experienced anglers would recomend?

I'm looking at a Loop double handed rod to go with my traditionel 4 reel.

I'm aware that i have to get the fly to the bottom, but i'm thinking weather a sinking shooting head should do the job ore i can get down there with just a sinktip.

On the rod side i'm looking at loops blueline in either 14 ore 15 and #9/10 ore 10/11.

Wishing you all a great fishing season

Henrik Moller
Denmark

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