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01-18-2002 08:03 PM
fredaevans
Kush (Tyler) right; not a blem. on them and well made

Components are all top end best I can tell. Heavy, yes, but you'd expect that with a rod this long and in a Euro config. Loaded the rod with a DT 10-11 Cortland Spey this evening and will give (I'm repeating myself here) this a go with a long 'brick' tube fly (singular) tomorrow.
01-18-2002 07:04 PM
kush Diawa makes top of the line quality rods in the UK. I have cast a couple of them, a 15 and a 16' model. Both were serious cannons! They are a bit heavy, by Sage standards, but are very much in line with UK styles. They are very well made and I gather are considered to be something of a benchmark especially in the bigger rods. If you check on Dana's site I do believe he has a review on at least one of these rods.
01-18-2002 06:48 PM
pmflyfisher Fred,

Agree 18 ' is more than enough, was surprised to see they had them longer. I will be seeking my spey rod in other the wifes radar now that the real estate sales are up. She won't even know it happened.

How do you like the Daiwa, I mean the quality of the rod in general. Been looking them over on the web. Never knew Daiwa made decent fly rods, at least they are not here in the states.
Looks like Daiwa UK makes a good rod for a good price.

Give those michigan flies an honest test, you may have to tie some weighted ones though. Been tying up some new michigan nymph patterns will send a few when I have perfected for the Rogue field test.

Can't imagine how fast two weighted tube flies sink. Are you hitting bottom with them and how is the snag rate ?

Hal
01-18-2002 03:56 PM
fredaevans
19's and 20's Ah yes my little chickadee

Hal. Joan's in a very good mood and I'm not going to spoil it. At least not yet ..... No, the 18's big enough. Did have the folks at the Flyshop in Welches shoot me a Cortland 10/11 Spey DT for the rod. Will spool this up tonight and give it a go. (If you want something quick, these folks are faster than fast. Ordered the line at about 9am yesterday and they dropped the UPS box on my desk this morning; and they pay the shipping.)

The tri-tip 'loop connectors' (hinges) may be the problem with the 10/11 RIO causing a cast to fold up if your timings off more than a tad. A full DT line may solve the issue. Really don't care if I can cast 100+ feet as 95% of the fish arn't that far off any way. Three day holiday this weekend, and Joan's in Calif., so plenty of time to play and chase fish below the Grants Pass area. Nate B and I'll head out at zero dark 30 tomorrow and see if we can scare up some action.
Fred
01-18-2002 06:00 AM
pmflyfisher
There are 19 and 20 footers

Fred,

I see there are also 19 and 20 footers used over in Europe.

Hal
01-17-2002 10:04 PM
fredaevans
Dana gets too many 'free toys' to play with.

We have to get this guy a 'corporate' Airborne or UPS number so he can pass his 'toys' around to us less privlidged 'southern' Brethern.



The choice of the toy marks the Boy ... or something like that.:hehe:
01-17-2002 06:09 PM
kush Fred,

I do not yet know where to get one of these Scandinavian heads. The one I have used was an Airflo prototype for a 10 wt that I fished on my 9140-3 and a Loop Yellow 14' 10wt. The line had a 57' head and it seemed to me the longer head was more enjoyable to cast than a WC, it seemed like a real line than a shooting head. As for when the production lines are due I don't know - Dana will have a better handle on this than I do.
01-16-2002 05:36 PM
fredaevans
A Big Roger That on the plenty of time to look at the scenery

Long and slooooow is the active phrase casting this rod. Suspect your 110% right that the WC won't be a good match but what the heck, have the line so nothing ventured nothing gained.

But you mentioned "scand. head' lines. Have seen this reference before but don't know what/who makes this type of line. The rod mod. is the Norway Speycaster #10 DT uSH. The "#10 DT" is suggestive of using a 10wt DT with the rod. But always open to options (read that 'new toys'). Can you direct me to a web site with info on the Scan. lines.
tnx
Fred
01-16-2002 05:08 PM
kush I'll side with Bruce siding with me on this. Before I got the SpeyDriver the best line I came up with was the 10/11 Accelerator. I didn't think it had enough belly (or grains) to load the rod so I took a 15' piece of the level belly of a 10 wt DT and added it to the main belly of the Accelerator - amazingly it worked quite well! So I thought what the hell, if 15 feet worked - what about 30? So on went another 15' and "presto-chango" the rod loaded and this huge extended belly went shooting out into the running line! As Bruce says, the huge slow action rods have a unique casting stroke, looooonnng and slooooowwww... If you want to check out the scenery during your cast - no problem - you'll have plenty of time.

Dana and I discussed the possibility of a shooting head for the beastie and we both agree the WC is not a likely candidate. Instead, one of the Scandinavian-type heads in the 50-60' lengths might do the trick. However, my basic bias against stripping line (though it is not as strong as it once was) has kept us from pursuing the idea any further.
01-15-2002 10:30 PM
fisshman26 I ment the longer rod! not the longer line.
01-15-2002 10:29 PM
fisshman26 I would have to side with Kush on this one. This rod is made for a long taper line and just because it is longer will not mean that you can throw a longer line with a windcutter because you have no belly to work with and the windcutter really is a short stroke line which would be a hard feat with a rod this long and dare I say slow (but powerfull). But have fun experimenting with whatever you decide, thats whats so fun about the spey!
01-15-2002 09:30 PM
fredaevans
Amazing how you can find "reasons" to be out of the office ...

Two shots with the rod today loaded with the 10-11 RIO Acltr tri tip. Skip a hinged line with this puppy. Timing not exactly on and the cast will fold up at 45 feet. Slow the timing down and I was running the head and 5 or 6 coils of line with the rod (plus 15-17
'ish feet of leader and two wted tube flys). Get the timing down and consistently hit 33- 38 yards of line off the rod (math is about 100 to 114 feet). Thing I noticed (second excuse to be out of the office) was the close nature of the first gathering guide, seems far too close to shoot line. Will rig rod passing this one up and see how it goes; good and I'll have the loop removed and re-glazed.

A cannon with this line; looking forward to trying the WC 10-11-12.
fe
01-15-2002 08:14 PM
kush Fred,

Finding the right line was a real chore. Getting something with a long enough belly was the trick. To shorten the long story it was Derek Brown who took the reel off his Sage 10160 with his SpeyDriver that finally loaded the big rod properly. Derek gave Dana the specs and he built me one and voila - the beast was armed. The great thing is that now that I'm not using the 18' very often is that the line is also a perfect match for my 10160 as well.
01-15-2002 06:25 AM
fredaevans
Kush: 100% agree this is not a 'every day' rod

Ex-pat Canadian, or no, a lumber jack I'm not. As much as this (and you did get quite a deal and a half. Oh, question: was the fellow who sold the rods a longshoreman? Did the rods - for that price - just happen to fall out of a cargo container??) Hell that was so long I forgot the question.

Ah well, as impressive as this rod is (remembering that I've yet to swing it as I write this) not a prayer I could use this rod for much more than an hour or two without having to shift to a lighter rod. This is really a 'site specific' rod, not one for general use.

But to your (rod-s). What was you lining for these beasties?
Fred
01-15-2002 06:11 AM
pmflyfisher Fred,

This sounds dangerous, please be careful. Sounds like when I bought the longer down hill skies to get more speed.

Hal
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