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03-04-2013 01:45 AM
teflon_jones I'm one of those people that doesn't visit this site nearly as much as I used to. That being said, this along with a dedicated Maine fly fishing forum are definitely my favorite fishing forums on the web. This site also has by far the highest quality information per post versus any other forum, fishing or otherwise, that I've ever visited. And I probably easily have 100,000 forum posts if not 200k or more in the last 10-15 years mainly on fishing and car forums.

The demands of life have also taken up my time too much in the last few years (4 major surgeries, divorce, cross-country move, loss of my job, single dad duties, etc), resulting in far less time or desire to visit internet forums. I truly hope this forum continues in one form or another. I'll be happy to help by taking up a more significant role if that would help. I've been an IT consultant for almost 15 years, mainly in web technologies. I could also throw in some money, though right now that would be hard since I've been out of work since mid-October.

Thanks for all of your hard work for the last 10 years Juro! And best of luck with everything going on. Unfortunately I know how hard life can be sometimes!
01-09-2013 10:24 AM
juro Thank YOU Marty, that someone learned from others over this medium, and had more fun flyfishing as a result of collaborating with others makes it ALL worthwhile.

tight lines buddy
01-09-2013 08:33 AM
MartyG In brief I hope anything that can be done to keep it up and running at a lower cost should be explored.

As a fairly new fly fisher (5-6 years) this site has been immensely helpful from a research standpoint as well as a conversational standpoint.

The stories and pictures inspire me to explore new fisheries, learn to tie flies and pass along what I've learned to others.

This forum is awesome. Keep it going.

Thanks Juro.

01-09-2013 08:10 AM
Jim Miller Here ya go:
01-09-2013 07:47 AM
juro Jim -

Again thanks for the info. Not sure you understand the situation as I have explained it and it looks like you had zero data migration concerns starting from scratch, and took advantage of new low cost packages out there. The situation here has changed but the infrastructure is still locked in at levels supporting historical highs.

Best of luck though and if you ever do send that link I'll check it out.

Dan -

You bet! I still have my escape in Chatham, will be guiding the flats as ( and teaching both single and Spey casting more actively than ever. Aside from that would enjoy just getting out to fish or some steamahz and a beeyah at the Squiyah anytime.

All -

This site isn't going anywhere in fact my bet is that it's really goin' places it hasn't been before. Stay tuned...
01-08-2013 03:47 PM
Blue Horseshoe


sad to see you go. i wish you the best of outcomes in all your issues....and may i add that i have learned so much from this forum from past and present discussions that it was a priceless education, and i truly appreciate it. I hope to be able to meet you in the future somewhere between the squire, and captain kid; maybe even do a little casting. again thank you!


please pm me with contact info so we may keep in touch, and my offer still stands
01-08-2013 11:44 AM
Jim Miller Juro
I do not want to sound like I know it all...but here is my take on forums and associated things. I will speak to my forum because that is what I am most familiar with.

Because it is non-profit, the forum is run like a club. It is a closed forum with invited membership of friends. It also avoids a lot of issues by not being public.

I suppose one has to determine the rational for the forum's existance, and then build the forum membership accordingly. For me, it was solely a means to stay in touch with fishing friends and exchange info and ideas. Profit was not a factor....the idea of profit was actually something we avoided.

If profit is the rational, then I suppose you want as many page views as possible to satisfy the sponsors. But if you are not for profit then you strive for the most active and contributing membership. Lurkers and silent members do not help the forum in this scenario. You want the most informative and benificial page view ratio.

But, it could be set up as a profit based public forum (with paying sponsers)

To remain add free and have Proboards host it the cost runs:

$7/ month gets one 50,000 page views
$14/month gets one 100,000 page views

With approx. 100 members ACTIVE... we do not even approach the 50,000 page view mark. (maybe SpeyPages or The Hull Truth generate more monthly views ?).

From the number of posts seen here....i would doubt that we are approaching 50,000 page views a month. If so, the membership is not engaged or actively participating?? (lots of views...but no posts)

The ProBoards software allows all of the extras we all have come to use. PM's, photo posting, notifications, spell checking, etc. The software is intuitive and easily allows one to structure the forum and get it running. It appears as professional as any I have seen. Even for a "non-programming" guy like was a 2-3 day setup time to get up and running. Pretty easy.

I know nothing about forum rights and migrating to another host. But...why not just start NEW? Is that a possibility for you?

Good luck in these difficult times of forum readership

01-08-2013 10:17 AM
juro Thanks Jim!

Your comments were taken as helpful only, however the legacy of this site demanded a dedicated server. To your point, new offerings have emerged and prices have come way down as has traffic and migration to a new platform is definitely the way to go.

A few problems stood in the way - back payments and migration. That's why I paid off the balance out of pocket to move things along and with much bigger issues in my life (surgery for loved ones, family changes, financial stress, etc) I've not had the luxury of making this my primary focus.

Nonetheless, I appreciate the suggestion. How big of a DB did you migrate?

BTW - expect big changes, but I am curious.
01-08-2013 08:27 AM
Jim Miller
Originally Posted by juro
See what I mean?
Say could you guys provide a forum like this so I can wear these shoes for a while instead of mine? I promise I will live up to your standards.

We HAVE......for $7.00 per month. ($84.00 per year) See suggestion above, it was said with the best of intentions.

There is currently less readership here...... but if there were more readership, the price might go up to $14.00 a month.

But be advised that no one is making a profit at $7.00/month. That is just what it costs to keep it online. It is not a money making venture. But if you desired you could sell adds to beef up a profit and defrey the $7/month cost. Maybe even make some money if you so desired.

There is virtually no maintainence time for the membership or your time will be freed up to deal with more pressing issues.

Take a look at Proboards if you want to keep this site running.....maybe some of the guys will come back.

Send me a PM and I can tell you about the details.

01-07-2013 10:11 PM
juro See what I mean?

Here's an accounting for you - I just paid $383.70 out of pocket. No donations toward server costs have been received since last fall. The forum runs on MySQL over licensed VBulletin on php with a load that required several upgrades to the point it is now, but the payments had to be cleared to migrate to a lower cost server which is again a LOT of work in and of itself.

Anyway guys - you're welcome! I hope you enjoyed the platform provided for over 10 years for your fly-tying self-promotion and the building of lifetime friendships and memorable experiences like the mecca just to name one small drop in the bucket - or perhaps information to help exploit exchange rates and enjoy sea bass fishing that puts yours to shame.

You see I really don't harbor any animosity as such, but I thought you could use a dose of what it's like to listen to the entitled ones demanding of the person trying to do something good for the community of anglers. Thanks, feels great. Say could you guys provide a forum like this so I can wear these shoes for a while instead of mine? I promise I will live up to your standards.

However Dan - I truly appreciate the gesture. I hope the resource continues to be worthwhile for you no matter which direction it goes however I can say that it will be a much bigger professionally managed and run venture going forward.
01-07-2013 12:35 PM
Blue Horseshoe crickets, and church bells....lets look at it this way....always another perspective.

in all seriousness...this ai a great resource......please let me know juro if i can donate to keep site going.

01-07-2013 11:52 AM
Stevo ... or even
01-07-2013 10:27 AM
I had hoped for more...
01-06-2013 09:13 AM
'too many unanswered question...

Jim brings up a good point... 'Why not consider Pro Boards...?!
Many have jumped ship because of the deafening silence heard when questions were asked but replies were never received...
Top Secret flies... the mythical wooden dory... expenses explained... donations accounted for... spending itemized... et al...
Much like the Chatham Inlet, things continue to evolve and the only constant is change...
Just as the seals have frustrated and driven away the South Beach fly fisherman, certain issues here have silenced the once enjoyable and prolific banter
and have stifled fraternal camaraderie...
I long for the "Old Southway Daze"... the shoal in front of the Chatham Light is gone and won't return any time soon... but another better one is always a possibility...
only time will tell...
'my .02

01-02-2013 05:27 PM
Jim Miller Juro
Try About $7 a month to keep Add Free. No other costs.
Wishing you the best!

Jim Miller
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