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07-25-2006 12:11 PM
polareyez If the Southway gets cleaned out I'm going to miss all the boats running aground on the flat at the Southway.....
07-23-2006 09:41 PM
juro Capacitor theory was far-fetched, at least as far as the post-storm situation goes.

There's one deep basin and it's filling in fast, I don't see it buffering much water anymore. I think the delay and decline of flow can be attributed to the simple fact that the hole to the ocean has shrunk to a small channel.
07-20-2006 10:14 AM
juro Looks like Friday is supposed to get kind of crazy out there... gusts to 55 mph with steady high winds from the east coinciding with high tide... probably at least a wash-thru in the cards.

With our luck lately this will curl the southway closed at the opening completely
07-19-2006 10:37 PM
juro hehe

Well after the last couple of "dog years" I think a sidecut like Fred A's image would be a refreshing change (quite literally!)

Are we ready for such a radical departure? Ah what the heck!!! Keith could include whale tours in his new boat
07-19-2006 08:17 PM
Originally Posted by juro
. . . Come on mother nature, bring it on! Don't tease, shuffle that damn deck and DEAL
Ask and you shall receive -- looks like Beryl might shuffle things around a bit.

Juro, you might want to be careful when you pray to the weather Gods. It seems like they respond a little too well sometimes .

07-18-2006 05:50 PM
Originally Posted by juro
Better bring the Tiger Wire....
07-18-2006 04:29 PM
juro (knock on door)
Woman: [not opening the door] Yes?
Voice: (mumbling) Mrs. Arlsburgerhhh?
Woman: What?
Voice: (mumbling) Mrs. Johannesburrrr?
Woman: Who is it?
Voice: [pause] Flowers.
Woman: Flowers? From whom?
Voice: [long pause] Plumber, ma'am.
Woman: I don't need a plumber. You're that clever shark, aren't you?
Voice: [pause] Candygram.
Woman: Candygram, my foot. Get out of here before I call the proper authorities. You're the shark, and you know it.
Voice: I'm only a harmless dolphin...

Woman: A dolphin? Well...okay. [opens door]

07-18-2006 11:51 AM
FredA You mean we need a permenant one of these...(attached).

Also, for the area in general, the presence of some toothy guys like last weekend would be helpful.
07-18-2006 09:51 AM
juro Your prediction is as good as any, and I hope it comes true however if we recall the discussions on Flytalk since 2004 you may recall that the morphology of the beach historically heeds longshore migration north to south, and the notion of a new gap on SB is also likely.

I would guess that when the sand flow away from a thin area exceeds the supply from adjacent bodies to the north a new break will occur. This would cause an infusion of ocean influence on North Monomoy, we'd have to rename the tub. The west common flats would become less deadpan and more unstable and the crib would be a veritable canal as South Monomoy also becomes restless and that plastic body of sand that was the southway would be tossed about (in a geological sense).

I am very excited by that prospect! Although we would lose some of the hinterlands to the lower alpha bouys the higher letters would become a haven for ocean fish and I think fly caught fish would rival those that bait guys boast about.

It would be equal parts surf, rip, flats and estuary all at once.

Come on mother nature, bring it on! Don't tease, shuffle that damn deck and DEAL
07-18-2006 09:47 AM
BigDave Do you guys know what the water temp is on the flats at the tail end of the incoming? We have been finding that the bass much prefer the pockets of colder water outside (low 60's). Find the higher temps and you are out of the bass and into the bluefish. Often times the two temp differences will occur within a couple hundred yards of each other.

Just a thought.

Anyone been sight fishing the summer surf recently?
07-18-2006 09:10 AM
jimS There is also a sandbar thwarting a straight shot into the first basin until about two hours into the coming tide. The two basins you refer to before the big flat are slowly filling in. My bet is that with the big tide early next month, that sandbar may be gone, the basins filling in more, and a better cleansing from the ocean will occur.

I've been looking for more excuses to be there for the big tides next month...
07-17-2006 09:38 PM
My theory on the Monomoy Refuge

All striped bass are thin on one end, thick in the middle and thin again at the other.

- Ms. Anne (A-n-n-e NOT "A-N") Elk


If you look at the two large deep basins between the ocean and the first good flat they are in effect "capacitors", buffering the effect of tide movement before and after each event.

Just like one of those Japanese bamboo fountains, the water trickles in and nothing happens until equilibrium is met, then the water unloads.

In the case of the southway, there are two consecutive "capacitors" between the ocean flow and the flats, thus dramatically changing the effect of the ocean on the region. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that it dampens the flushing of fauna in and out; and we in this generation of dedicated refuge "researchers" can clearly conclude that much of the biomass that frequented our playground was in fact oceanic, and largely dependent on the degree of freshening.

One might also go as far as to question whether 'resident' could be viably applied to all the fish we had seen over the last several years acting snobbish in the dog days, or whether resident fish are rare and the majority are fresh visitors in the feeding patterns that are ambivalent to fly patterns (e.g. coulds of shrimp).

Further I feel the effect of Nantucket Sound bass population on the refuge is less significant than the oceanic fish, which we've know are shoaling off Chatham east this time of year probably since the dawn of time.

An extended theory from this will be that the hardtail population within the refuge should be heightened this year, I would wager that we see funny fish popping inside a lot this year. Their influence is distinctly from the sound waters.

I should go take a wade up inside the top of the tub to see if the blue crab population has taken a spike as well. Purely for research purposes of course

Back to stripers - I have built up some specific strategies on how to conduct my fishing and have some some fair degree of sampling between last year and this year, but won't post them publicly equally out of fear of giving something away as the fear of being dead wrong as this is all still a fairly young situation.

However I am acting on these theories and will be gathering as much information as possible to conclude on as many concrete characteristics as possible this season, reap what I can between now and Columbus Day, and apply them to the seasons that follow unless Ms.Nature deals us a new hand.

Even with all the optimism I usually maintain that the motherlode is there for those who find it - I have to say I wish a big storm would come and blow those two basins to kingdom come.

These two "capacitor holes" are making it very challenging to say the least. Or interesting depending on your point of view.

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