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05-04-2005 09:34 AM
OC Heck MJC, I would be happy if we sportfishermen could pay Todd a good salary to lobby in Olympia full time. He does outstanding work without pay can you imagine what he could do with a good secretary and a deep credit card!
05-03-2005 12:55 PM
Hey OC...

Does anyone know if any states in the U.S. has a full time lobbyist that works for the sportsmen in that state?
I think you would be a good choice for a lobbyist back there inside the beltway, if you could stomach all their nonsense, but then I suppose a contingent of us would have to go back there and bail you out because you weren't "PC" when you called "a spade", "a spade". That trait endears you me but it probably wouldn't make you "Mr. Popular" in the DC area.

Seriously I think your idea has a lot of merit and is very worthy of being looked into much more closely.
04-27-2005 12:26 PM
Todd Ripley Keith,

Carl Burke is now NSIA's Washington lobbyist...I spent a lot of the past week down in Olympia with both Carl and Corey.

Fish on...

04-27-2005 10:23 AM

The Northwest Sportsfishing Industry Association did have a full-time lobbyist until McBrayer quit to take up the commission seat. I think that they've replaced him, but I couldn't say for sure. The agenda of that organization is one you could stand behind, OC. So could just about anyone on this board except the commercial-fishing supporters.

While we see the gains we've made as huge, they are nothing-- and I mean this with no disrespect at all-- nothing, nothing compared to the huge jumps made in the Gulf Coast states with the work of the Coastal Conservation Association. We sportsmen could do worse than model our efforts after those of the CCA.

04-26-2005 05:22 PM
Todd Ripley OC,

The RFA has a full time lobbyist in Olympia, Corey Freeman, and the crab issue is one of the biggest issues that he and the RFA are working on right is very front burner. Send me an e-mail if you want any more information about it.

Keeping Clyde McBrayer on the Commission this week was HUGE for recreationals in this state, especially the recreational crabber. I suspect we'll see some timelines and mechanisms for proper counting put in place at the May 14 crab meeting in Olympia, and then a more fair allocation following the schedule and information gathering.

Fish on...

04-26-2005 01:04 PM
OC Does anyone know if any states in the U.S. has a full time lobbyist that works for the sportsmen in that state?

I think it's time for Washington State to have one. I know the outdoor industry has a lobbyist in Olympia that does sometimes help in our causes. Here is an idea I have and would like some imput into it. Over the last year we have as sportsmen and outdoor recreationists been gaining considerable strength in our response to threats against conservation and outdoor recreation but still we are at a disavantage by having no lobbyist working the halls of the state capital. What would it take to enact a 2 dollar license increase with that money going to a lobbyist salary and expenses. The different conservation and outdoor organizations in the state would nominate an officer from their organization to sit on an independent board who would be responsible for hirering and over seeing expensise the lobbyist.

Would such an add on to the license fee need a vote in the state house and senate? How could it happen? What would the oppostion be from certain conservation and sportsmen groups? I realize we are all not together on all issues but with the growing concern about what is going on in this state I think we could pull it off. I see the add on to the license as the only way to get a lobbyist does anyone else have a creative way of doing it?
04-25-2005 02:28 PM
flytyer korijhansen,

How arrogant can you get! Why should commercial crabbers or commercial fisherman get most or all of the fish, as you imply in your post? The fish and shellfish (along with wild game) resources of Washington State do not belong to the commercial crabbing and fishing industry, they belong to the people of the state. The fish and game of Washington State do not belong to the commercial fishers, nor are they for the creation or retention of jobs in the commercial fishing industry.

Let's be honest and at least recognize the fact that there is not an inherent "right" for commercial fishers to fish for and take fish or shellfish in sufficient quantities to make a living. The commercials have no more right to take fish and shellfish (let alone earn a living through taking sufficient numbers of crab, salmon, or other fish) than the recreational sportsmen. Both have been granted a priviledge to take fish and game, and that is very different than a right.

And like you said about the recreational crabbers, if the commercial crabbers and fisherman can afford the cost of gear, pots, boat, and fuel, they could obviously afford to pursue a different form of economic activity.

And to add insult to injury you imply that it is because of recreational crabbers or fishermen taking some crab or fish that commercials can't make enough money. You know as well as the rest of us that fish and game populations fluctuate from year to year and that there is never any guarantee of number that can be harvested. I suppose though in your convoluted thinking that this is the fault of recreational fishers and our "liberal government" giving them away to the recreational fishers. What crap.

You also know as well as the rest of us that there are no guarantees for economic prosperity or type of job a person does regardless of the field you are in. There are people all over Washington State who lose their jobs or businesses and thus their livelihood every day. And somehow they find another job. Why should commercial fishers and crabbers be any different?
04-25-2005 07:31 AM

I love how this state is so liberal. So when these commercial shrimpers aren't providing for their families due to the lack of commercial fishing days, I would love to see a reacreational shrimper, who is doing it for "fun", go and tell him; sorry about your job, life style, and family, "We were just having so much fun we couldn't contain ourselves." Give me a break, obviously if they can afford the cost of pots, boat, and diesel; they could obviously afford an alternative form of fun.
01-28-2004 01:21 PM
flytyer OC,

The commericial shrimpers want to haqve the recreational shrimp season even shorter than it is. They are telling the legislature that they aren't able to get enough shrimp as things are now, and besides, they make a "living wage" from the shrimp they haul in, while the recreational shrimpers are only doing it for fun.
01-28-2004 11:27 AM
OC Don't know what to make of this trend that the commercials want to push. Guess all is fair in the political world and ye who lobbies hardest and with the most money wins. There was a sport crab protest at the hearings in Port Townsend awhile back and I guess it got a little nasty with some commercials spitting on the sporties.

This was my first year of recreational crab fishing and I had a ball on the Hood Canal. While at anchor for the night i'd drop a pot in about 80 feet of water and pull it in less than an hour and have my limit in big leagle Dungeness Crab every single time. Now if we could get the shrimp season longer I'd stop working and just live on my sloop and eat what I catch.
01-26-2004 12:23 AM
Puget Sound Commerical Crabbers

I saw in today's newspaper that the commerical crabbers of Puget Sound are making a lot of noise and getting heard by the Washington State legislators in the current legislative session. The commercials are not happey with the way the crab harvest is being allocated.

The court decision of about 4 years ago gave the tribes 50% of the harvest (just like it did for steelhead and salmon) of crabs with the other 50% allocation to be split between commercial and recreational harvest. The commercial want more fishing days, "more stable commercial seasons", and more of the harvest. They claim they are losing income and cannot rely on being able to harvest crabs, which will cause many of the commercial crabbers to lose their "businesses", i.e. not be able to keep crabbing.

The paper reported that the legislature is listening to the commerical crabber concerns and that some legislators have introdruced or signed on as co-sponsors to seveal bills that would "fix the problem" and make sure the commercial crab fishery remains "viable".

I find it interesting that the commercials are going after the sports (recreational) crabbers since they have lost 50% of the harvest to the tribes. They know they cannot get any of the tribal allocation because of the court order, so it seems they are going to take a run at the recreational crabbers to get more crabs. After all, "the commercial crabbing industry provides family-wage jobs" to many families.

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