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02-14-2005 10:08 AM
Penguin
One of the other Cape Cod Bay epicenters...

Billingsgate Shoals...

South Beach break recon...When the kinder weather arrives...
02-14-2005 08:53 AM
Stevo Is this the break in South Isalnd?
02-14-2005 06:35 AM
bonefishmon Whoaaa!!!!! Tuckernucks lookin' good!!!!!!!! Am I right? Let's have a Clave there!

Phil
02-13-2005 11:35 AM
Penguin
My right or...

Your right?..

...one moment while I reposition the satelite...
02-13-2005 11:20 AM
juro A little to the right please
02-13-2005 10:57 AM
Penguin
So may phlatz...

So little thyme...
02-13-2005 10:27 AM
juro Ah yes, and Sandy Neck has no breaks developing (that I know of!). If you factor in flats to the east, then up around Welfleet, the surf up and down, Lewis Bay flats, even the flats around Ipswich and Joppa, we got flatz!!!
02-13-2005 10:22 AM
Penguin
What Juro meant to say was...

You'll be in one of "several" epicenters!
Throw me into that briar patch!
02-13-2005 09:38 AM
juro You'll be in the epicenter!
02-13-2005 09:33 AM
Stevo Juro

I'll keep a close eye on the forum come the end of May then.

I think we are staying in a house on Morris Island road, Chatham. So it should put us close to the action!
02-13-2005 09:03 AM
juro Steveo -

At this point there is still a lot of speculation about all of this; it hasn't really happened yet. But there is enough evidence to predict that it will.

Sure it will throw a little more challenge into it - but it could just as easily make fishing so easy that it's silly given the right times and tides. We are all as uncertain as to what this will bring to the table, but excited just the same.

The Annual Spring Clave will be held in mid-May as usual. Signups will go up in March. We will have plenty of recon before your arrival.
02-13-2005 08:20 AM
Stevo I'm following this with great interest, as a group of us Englishman are coming over in June.
As we only knew the 'Cape fishing' from forums, etc we had limited information on how it really works out there. With this new development i'm wondering if it will make things a little trickier for us!
Has anyone got some decent photo's of the area's before and after?
02-11-2005 09:20 PM
juro The only thing for sure is that it will be different. Hard to say if better or worse.

I will miss the old structure regardless. Even as it was it required annual study to have it in the hip pocket for guiding. Yet much of it retained the same character year to year as I am sure others will agree.

With a cut midway on Chatham Bar (the official name of south beach or so I read) several annual routines that I rely will change dramatically:

1) migratory paths - no details available

2) flood tide response - many changes there for sure, the fish will be in different places and move to different places on tidal changes

3) summer behavior - cool ocean infusion almost 1 hour earlier - more like bayside behavior around that zone I would wager. As Keith mentioned, probably would get visits from the oceanside hordes as well. I just hope the boats aren't overwhelming if it really opens up.

4) fall bunker behavior - more likely to stream through the refuge than go around, which bodes very well for our fall fishing

5) hardtail behavior - likely to have them more prevalent inside and up to Chatham light than usual, maybe thick in PB like years past. This depends on how the west side is affected from all this, and if JimS theory is correct, etc.

At least in this zone there will undoubtedly be a more prevalent mixing of sound / ocean conditions where this peninsula has formed a distinct boundary for many species and their habitats. The behavior of fish inside has been distinctly different than on the outside. Despite being so close together, they were separated by two diverse environments.

If the southway closes it will create a massive expanse of flats to the other side of the break; K & J bouy flats, reaching down to join with the north end South Monomoy flats, then out to the west side.

Who knows what it will do to North Monomoy but my guess is a deepening of the crib. In fact the middle crib's depths seem to be formed by a more violent past.

In any case, it will be a lot of fun to explore and nature will level the playing field for most of us. We will all need to re-learn everything if these things go down.

Ready.... set....
02-11-2005 08:20 PM
Paxton Been trying to think that if Jim is right....would that be better fishing SB or not. Me thinks that the break would give the fish quicker and more direct access to the flats. Jim's right....it's going to be very interesting to see what the results will be. Makes me wonder if the point to the right of the shuttle drop off will grow as well towards Morris and eventually make the original tub a landlocked pond.

Also, some good news on the arthritic casting thumb and wrist issue I've had the last 2 seasons. I'm only sharing this because last year 3 other guys (don't know their names) expressed to me that they have the same issue.
I found a cooperative MD, who sent me to a hand specialist OT and today they fabricated (molded) a custom rigid plastic brace for me....tried it out in the backyard....no pain, no restriction in casting! The OT was impressive.....assessed the arthritic joints, assessed the movement that caused pain, asked me to demonstate the movement I needed and where the rod needed to fit in my palm and designed and made the brace on the spot. Impressive to say the least!
Did feel a bit foolish going in for the appt. with the butt section of my Sage, given that everyone else there looked like they just got hit by a car, but as the MD said..."no reason not to enjoy quality of life". So....to you others in the same situation, there IS a solution.
Ron
02-11-2005 05:43 PM
jimS
What if...

Keith et al, if the new break becomes the sole current from the oceanside (southway closes), would the flow (current) head toward the channel betweeen N. Monomoy and Morris Island. If so, then a venturi affect would occur from Stage Harbor. Having said that, the west side of Monomoy would have a pretty solid current. The inside of S. Beach from the tub to S. Monomoy would be then be a continuation of the tub at the north (minimal current)? If the southway does close, then North & South Monomoy will probably merge.

Of course, this could all change with potential malestroms.

It will be an interesting season for you and the pack of flats rats.
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