|02-15-2005 08:39 AM|
I believe that only part of the Milner Report was included, the full report was originally instigated by the then Minister after he received much correspondence extolling Kielder's virtues.
The report led to a fall out between the authors and the Hatchery regarding figures used, in fact the Hatchery refused to sign up to the report.
Kielder Hatchery as you will know was set up as mitigation for the loss of spawning due to the reservoir.
This mitigation, although not legislation, is imperpetuity, is funded 90% by the owner/perpetrator, NWL. The Hatchery is also currently running well below capacity on EA instructions.
I agree that the ideal is habitat and natural progressive spawning but as you mentioned the Tyne still has many problems future and present.
Therefore the Hatchery should be used as a 'safety valve' as well as mitigation and if the stocks are not required that year they should be used to help 'kick start' elsewhere. All in all hatcheries are good to have in this area/climate.
Yes I was part of the EA log Book scheme last year, however I am ashamed to admit that it was misplaced (I blame my tidy non-fishing wife!!) near the end of the season after religously fillng it in!
|02-15-2005 08:00 AM|
Appreciate that you do not have that problem yet, but with hunting going here I feel we need to get our act together. Your other points re moral etc are well worth remembering.
|02-12-2005 07:07 PM|
Wrong part of the world
|02-12-2005 02:39 AM|
I've been toying with conehead tubes over the last couple of years. I started by using plastic tubes for the dressing, with a smaller diameter removable plastic tube for inserting different size, colour, style of coneheads. I found that it was difficult to obtain plastic tubes that were stiff enough. I also found that while the inserted tube may fit before tying the dressing on the main tube, once the dressing was wrapped onto the tube, this compressed the tube to a small enough diameter to inhibit the smaller tube from being inserted.
I have now found that removing the plastic insert from aluminium tubes and dressing on them, inserting the tube liner, slotting a conehead on the end, and touching both sides with a lighter to form a lip on the plastic liner works best. This does not allow you to interchange coneheads, but does offer a more durable, less frustrating solution. Just make sure that you do not set fire to the dressing when using the lighter!!!
Slipstream aluminium tubes and plastic tube liner, as well as a range of coneheads are available from most good fishing stores. Glasgow Angling Centre has all this material.
|02-11-2005 08:45 PM|
First Post Hello
First time posting the forum so Hello to all!
Couldn't help but comment when reading the wee bit about the new spey website. Had a look today and all looks good can't wait until more beats start to feature. It makes really good, if slightly envious reading, while sitting in the city!
Anyway, apologies if this breeches list etiquette for change of topic but the reason I joined the list was that I had spent some fruitless time surfing in search of info about conehead tubes. Fancy tying some up for this season and wondered if any Scottish/uk based fishers could point me in direction of a supplier of blank tubes/cones?
Had a day fishing one(gifted to me and later lost) at the tail and of last season and even although I never turned a fish all day the fly just felt that it was doing all the right things at the business end.
|02-11-2005 06:16 PM|
Wester Elchies not the Lower.
5 fish from the system full report later.
Too tired I had a late night with the Spey Supper last night. Too much drink after an early start fishing the Dee.
I have to admit that, that man is pouring whiskey into the Spey, but the piper is playing a lament
|02-10-2005 09:48 PM|
|02-10-2005 01:32 PM|
I presume you mean this report Tyne Fisheries Report
There are a few issues for the river to contend with in the near future - the new tunnel as you said plus its still to be seen how the sale of the hydroelectric generation at Kielder will effect the river with regards to release sizes/durations.
Are you participating in the EA log book scheme ?
|02-10-2005 08:47 AM|
However from the dreaded 'antis' point of view how do we honestly justify, if we need to, hooking, playing and releasing a beautiful wild creature for our pleasure, I am passionate about all aspects of my fly fishing and it now seems wrong to try and justify by 'cropping' one or two but what would you answer??
|02-10-2005 08:20 AM|
Genetics and Hatcheries
Now there's a subject for debate!!
Scientists worry about genetics but the practical, experienced Hatchery Managers (Peter Grey, Kielder) are not, who is right?
It would be good to merge the practical with the theoretical rather than infighting (EA etc) and come up with a team effort for the good of Salmo Salar, the best of each world, dream on!!
Which Wester Elchies are you on, main (timeshare) or lower?
The main looks totally mouthwatering with lovely pools and woodland (John Ashley Cooper liked them), will you be using Sam's Badger or will it be too early?
Tightlines anyway, any pics will be great, spare a thought for those frustrated fly fishers bolstering the Chancellors coffers whilst you fish!!
Jealosy is a horrible thing!!
|02-09-2005 09:06 PM|
I guess what I am saying is that choice works for the informed and well intentioned, and education works for the uninformed but well intentioned, but only the rule of law works for a fairly large minority (in some cases majority) with home we share our rivers.
|02-09-2005 06:39 PM|
The greatest loss of fish is at sea. The scientists tell us that the river is up to max on parr, how they draw that conclusion, I'm not sure. I remember getting sick of catching parr whilst fishing, as a boy ,not now.
This year the Spey is to operate a smolt trap to see if the max potential smolts are going to sea, if so the river board are doing their job and the hatchery can be run down.
I am not 100% convinced by all the figures, in its prime the nets killed 20 000fish and the rods another 10k, now everyone seems happy with a rod take of 10k.
Hatcheries, I'm not a fan, genetics etc etc etc. Let the fish through to clean well looked after spawning beds, let the young fish have non polluted food supplies and hatcherys should not be necessary. BUT fishing is a business as well and if anglers are not catching fish a hatchery is good PR, a quick fix that is deemed necessary in todays climate.
Friday I'm on Wester Elchies for a week or so with a few regulars from here, Andy Wren, Graham Ritchie, Gardener (Charlie H) so we will try to produce a picture or two. I have the Spey supper to get through on Thursday night after a day on the Dee, I'm wooried this drinking will start to curtail my fishing, if I turn up late smelling of kelts may be I will not be invited next year.
|02-09-2005 06:13 PM|
Dave and Willie Gunn
Were you aware of the Milner (or Milne) report of last year where the EA were trying to discredit the importance of the work done by the Kielder Hatchery??
This was because the EA had boasted that the Tyne was the best in England and other systems were pressurising for their own hatchery
Thankfully at present if we get more mortalities in the summer estuary the Tyne is covered by the Hatchery, then there is the New Tyne Tunnel construction to contend with.
What is the general consensus on the Spey hatcheries??
Good or bad??
The Tweed has no hatchery and keeps getting quoted as the 'yardstick' in fishery management.
We have always said that given the habitat etc the salmon can more than look after himself, so do the hatcheries enhance or limit/restrict recovery??
When the runs are in danger I feel we must have the hatchery facilty to 'kick start' whether good or bad!!
On another theme, are you fishing the Spey opening day and if so where and more photos of the elusive springers please, it keeps us office guys sane, just!!
Pot belly pigs are fine, they work don't they??
|01-28-2005 10:57 AM|
The fish counter stats have been widely debated as I stated in my original post. The general feeling tends to be that the figures shown are/can be over the top as you stated. The rumor was that during the period you mentioned there was a movement of dace upstream through the counter which were included in the figures. There has now supposedly been video equipment installed to try and give more accurate figures.
The other problem is that if the counter figures tend to be on the high side then perhaps the Tyne spring run last year was even worse than 5000.
My problem with the tagging system would be that yes perhaps the honest "responsible game fishers" would abide by the letter of the law but unfortunately not everyone fishing the Tyne comes under that heading.
I also feel that every fish returned is one more potential fish on the redds which is what the Tyne requires. What happens if/when we have another dry summer and we loose 2000+ fish again ? The Tyne is a recovering river and I feel every effort should be made to keep it heading in the right direction. If that means 100% C&R than thats fine with me.
|01-28-2005 09:11 AM|
Please, I would not want to be responsible for any hair loss!!
Tagging has been suggested as an alternative that apparently works for responsible game fishers, not the 'anglers' that you refer to.
We have to give some trust surely.
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