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03-08-2005 11:23 AM
Salar-1 Terry
Don't worry about the mandatory guide for non resident's. For the immediate (and forseeable )future ,it's dead .
Cheers
03-08-2005 09:28 AM
fcch terry,

Thanks for your comments

The ideas are just being batted around for now and NOTHING has been decided.

Hopefully things will get straightened out to everyones liking and in a fashion that our friends and neighbours from "out of town" can keep coming to play on some of the most beautiful rivers on earth.

Tight Lines ...
03-08-2005 08:43 AM
terry walsh My heart sank when I read this thread, I have been fishing for Atlantic Salmon in Quebec for the past couple of years and I've been thrilled with the experience, the quality of the salmon , the beauty of the rivers and the pleasure of simply being there means a lot to me. It is of course, the salmon that brings me there. I had hoped that this would be an annual trip for me, as a simple working man who lives within driving distance (Maine) it is possible for me to go fishing in Quebec every year, as long as I am not required to hire a guide, If I am required to hire a guide it adds several hundreds of dollars to my trip and it is no longer an annual opportunity for me, I would still come, but perhaps I could only afford every other year or one in three years.
To me this is a false economy, the people who can afford guides will hire them anyway, and those of us who cannot will simply not be able to fish/visit Quebec. I see that as a net loss. I also believe that mandatory outfitting/guiding is bad for the sport and bad for the industry in general. I fished the Mirimichi several years ago and had a "mandatory guide" , one of the worst sporting experiences of my life. My "guide" sat at the motor and swilled beer from a brown paper bag all day, when I asked him to travel downriver to a different spot he told me we did not have enough gas, we actually ran out of gas on the river. now, I know that this would not have happened if I were staying at Ponds or one of the other fine outfitters on the Mirimichi, but I can't afford those guys, so I am stuck with one of the local "outboard jockeys" which made my trip miserable, I have never returned to the Mirimichi.
I also believe that fisheries should be managed for conservation, not for monetary opportunities. Here in Maine we are forbidden to fish for Atlantic salmon because of the Endangered Species Act, as much as that is a hard ship we can live with it because it is important for the conservation and restoration of the species. This is a lot different than being excluded because you can't afford a guide. Will Salmon fishing in the Americas become the sole domaine of the wealthy as it is in many parts of the world. I sure hope not.
Hopefully this will not pass and anglers from all walks of life will get to sample the delights of Quebec salmon. Thank you, Terry
03-05-2005 04:57 PM
fcch Salar36,
Thanks for the info. 'been a bit buried in work at the office and didn't get the chance to follow the press release.

When they shook up the govt cabinet the other week, I saw it as a bit of a power struggle between Ministry of the Environnement and the Min of Nat Resources.

Given that Envir. is in charge of the network of "protected areas", they wanted parks. Sadly, at the same time, the Environement depatment of the forest service is working on their OWN network of Biological Reserves (Biodiversity and all that). There is still NO coordination between the two groups on this similar dossier. (BR's are smaller in size, but will be similar to Ecological reserves, with very little humain activity.)

Incidentally, in some discussions before Christmas, the forest industry, along with Min Forests, proposed to Environnement to create one of the Province D Aire Protégée all along the Ste-Margureit Rv, larger than the existing ZEC, butting up against the Sagueany Marine Park and spreading up North a ways into the Valin Mountains.

We haven't gotten any feedback from Environnement, but it would be a nice zone to help protect the Ste-Marguerite.

À Suivre ...
03-05-2005 03:21 PM
Salar36 Chris;

Sooner this week, all the federations related to wildlife has published a press release about this. Actualy, the wildlife world has been splitted in 2 parts; the one generating revenus going to environment, the one generating expenses staying with MRNFP...There is a consensus from all the federations; they will let the government decide under which minister the wildlife will be, but the wildlife world MUST be kept as a global world. Expect to see some other changes soon...
03-04-2005 01:17 PM
salmo52
Salmon table

Thanks David for the info. Glad to see that discussions are progressing. Lets hope every one will be happy with the results at the end.

For those who would like to read the FQSA position, the english version (PDF format) of their proposal is online at the following link :

http://www.saumon-fqsa.qc.ca/Anglais...ation-ang.html
03-04-2005 12:16 PM
fcch
Thanks David

Nice to know things are moving along (if not quickly, at least moving.
I was wondering if the "talks" got boged down when the Ministre Delegué became The Minister for the whole bunch (MRNFP).

Would you happen to know if the Wildlife Branch went with Parks over to Environnement or if they stayed with Natural Resources??
03-04-2005 09:32 AM
Gaspe Salmon
Quebec proposal

Silver Fox,

Nothing has been set in stone yet. Several ideas have been offered but nothing has been agreed upon as of yet. A special, working team, was put together after the last official salmon table meeting to try to work out a plan that would suit everyone's needs. A lot of good ideas came from these meetings but there seems to be one group that is still not willing to - how would I put this correctly... play nice with the other players.

The government, First Nations, FQSA, FQF, FPQ all seem to be on the same page and are looking for solutions to make better use of our resource for all. Of course the primary goal is to assure resident access, especially during the prime time period, followed by a fair and equitable system for access to the resource by others either working in the business, or, who just want to enjoy it.

Early March is the next scheduled meeting. I am confident that progress will be made then. I know that the other members of the round table are anxious to find a solution to this as there are MANY other issues to deal with at the table.

Keep checking the FQSA, FPQ and government websites for press releases. This is the best way to get FACTUAL information!

Keep well,

David
03-03-2005 11:41 AM
Silver Fox
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaspe Salmon
Dear Salmo 52,

First of all, I would like to thank you for your concern about my sleep... I can happily tell you that I am not losing any sleep from this subject, however, I am getting a good laugh at some of the behind the scenes workings to discredit us. (you are obviously not in this category)

The rumours and outright-created-lies posted on these boards are at root of why I have waded into the boards to respond. If you did not notice, I stayed out of it until it reached a point of being ridiculous. Now that I have waded in and have OFFERED the FACTS, I find it strange that many who started the controversey seem to be absent from offering solutions, they only continue to stirr the pot through others, who unfortunately have been victim of some of my rants. Oh well, for those in the know, the ones who will make the decisions, we all know what is REALLY going on! For those who have been pointed out as stirring the pot, I am sorry that you have been caught up in this, and that some of you have been soured, as you say, about continuing in the converstation, but this is the price to pay of aligning with people who have personal score's to settle and who have been spreading false information about our province. Do you think for one minute that the government and others really care about what we exchange here on the BB? Think again if the anwer is yes. I am only responding because I am sick of the lies and want to share the REAL story with others.

It would be really nice if these people (the one's who get others to start these topics) would offer suggestions on how to make the system work, before it is too late. Continually bitching about what we already know needs to be fixed, does not help anyone. So, once again I throw out the welcome mat to anyone who has suggestions. I have made several within my organization and welcome the ideas of others to incorporate into our work in progress.

Thanks for your input. You are correct, we need to take care of the draws first! Although I would really like to offer what we will be suggesting at the round-table, I simply cannot out of respect for all who will be hearing it soon enough. It is a work in progress but the GRANDE LIGNES have been suggested and will be offered soon!

What I CAN TELL YOU is that Quebec residents NEEDS in terms of the percentage of rods available through a draw is DEFINATELY priority number 1. As a matter of fact, it is FAR superior to what is the reality today. Enough said, you will all hear about it soon enough. I will go on to say that we have tried to consider every single utilizer and business in our proposition.

If you look at the FQSA model, which for the most-part suggests that outfitters be alloted a portion of the 20%, it would lead us to believe that they want about 80% of the total rods to be alloted to Quebecer's in a first round draw, if I am not mistaken. What we propose fits closely into this but takes into consideration, believe it or not, non-residents and other businesses in Quebec who deal in salmon. I am offering my comments based on the memorandum offered by the FQSA, but cannot tell you exactly what they are suggesting and the above should not be taken as fact, it is only my interpretation. I will have to wait like everyone else to find out in February what their real suggestions are.

Perhaps when all of this is all said and done, when our proposition is examined by all parties, many will see outfitters in a different light!

Thanks for your input!

Best to you,

David
P.S. out of scotch, can you suggest something else to help my sleepless nights!
Has any heard what was suggested in February?
01-12-2005 03:59 PM
Gaspe Salmon
it helped!

Hey!

Counting those leapers really helps!

Looking forward to seeing them UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL SOON!

Best to you,

David
01-12-2005 01:49 PM
salmo52
Sleepless nights solution

David,

Forget the pills if you're out of scotch, count the leapers !
01-12-2005 01:38 PM
Salar36 David,

I think you should read again recommandation 56(P.50) and 60 (P.53), it should help.


Pierre Manseau
01-12-2005 12:29 PM
fcch David,

Thank you. New dossier for me. Just finished reading the FQSA document (all 108 pages). Waiting for february too.

Quote:
P.S. out of scotch, can you suggest something else to help my sleepless nights!
Standard fair on my home waters for those sleepless nights (like the eve of the season opener) ... Jack Daniel's
01-12-2005 12:15 PM
Gaspe Salmon
Macallen 25 year! Great idea...

Dear Salmo 52,

First of all, I would like to thank you for your concern about my sleep... I can happily tell you that I am not losing any sleep from this subject, however, I am getting a good laugh at some of the behind the scenes workings to discredit us. (you are obviously not in this category)

The rumours and outright-created-lies posted on these boards are at root of why I have waded into the boards to respond. If you did not notice, I stayed out of it until it reached a point of being ridiculous. Now that I have waded in and have OFFERED the FACTS, I find it strange that many who started the controversey seem to be absent from offering solutions, they only continue to stirr the pot through others, who unfortunately have been victim of some of my rants. Oh well, for those in the know, the ones who will make the decisions, we all know what is REALLY going on! For those who have been pointed out as stirring the pot, I am sorry that you have been caught up in this, and that some of you have been soured, as you say, about continuing in the converstation, but this is the price to pay of aligning with people who have personal score's to settle and who have been spreading false information about our province. Do you think for one minute that the government and others really care about what we exchange here on the BB? Think again if the anwer is yes. I am only responding because I am sick of the lies and want to share the REAL story with others.

It would be really nice if these people (the one's who get others to start these topics) would offer suggestions on how to make the system work, before it is too late. Continually bitching about what we already know needs to be fixed, does not help anyone. So, once again I throw out the welcome mat to anyone who has suggestions. I have made several within my organization and welcome the ideas of others to incorporate into our work in progress.

Thanks for your input. You are correct, we need to take care of the draws first! Although I would really like to offer what we will be suggesting at the round-table, I simply cannot out of respect for all who will be hearing it soon enough. It is a work in progress but the GRANDE LIGNES have been suggested and will be offered soon!

What I CAN TELL YOU is that Quebec residents NEEDS in terms of the percentage of rods available through a draw is DEFINATELY priority number 1. As a matter of fact, it is FAR superior to what is the reality today. Enough said, you will all hear about it soon enough. I will go on to say that we have tried to consider every single utilizer and business in our proposition.

If you look at the FQSA model, which for the most-part suggests that outfitters be alloted a portion of the 20%, it would lead us to believe that they want about 80% of the total rods to be alloted to Quebecer's in a first round draw, if I am not mistaken. What we propose fits closely into this but takes into consideration, believe it or not, non-residents and other businesses in Quebec who deal in salmon. I am offering my comments based on the memorandum offered by the FQSA, but cannot tell you exactly what they are suggesting and the above should not be taken as fact, it is only my interpretation. I will have to wait like everyone else to find out in February what their real suggestions are.

Perhaps when all of this is all said and done, when our proposition is examined by all parties, many will see outfitters in a different light!

Thanks for your input!

Best to you,

David
P.S. out of scotch, can you suggest something else to help my sleepless nights!
01-12-2005 11:40 AM
fcch Pierre,

Quote:
Originally Posted by Salar36
...
Looking your second picture, water seems to be very high in the brook. Don't remember having seen the brooks so strong. But remember that pool was a very productive one.
Pierre
The pic is from this past September. It's misleading as Alan's Arm (the branch which flows into the mainstem from left to right) was actually low.

Yes ... a very productive and exciting pool. My avatar was "taken" there in 2002

This is low flow ... Marc Bergeron in august 2002 taken from the gallery
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