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12-21-2004 06:45 PM
Originally Posted by Gillie

I'm curious, what size thugmeister you are swinging ? I've eyed this pattern in the past but never tried it. Do you find it to be a good pattern all around ?

It was a size 7 Alec Jackson hook I think. It's one of my more consistent patterns that I use especially in stained water or in low light. I tie it on tubes and the Alec Jackson hooks and find them both very effective. Definitely a good one.
12-20-2004 02:13 PM
Gillie Snaggletooth,

I'm curious, what size thugmeister you are swinging ? I've eyed this pattern in the past but never tried it. Do you find it to be a good pattern all around ?

12-20-2004 01:56 PM
snaggletooth Although I love my 6wt. spey, a 7 or 8 would be nice to be able to put the brakes on some of those fish at the "kitty". I would think that a 7 weight would be just right, but a 6 definitely gets it done too.
12-20-2004 11:57 AM
yo Seth

There was no way I was going to take off my gloves to dip a thermometer into the river with my bare hands.

The last temp I took was about 2 weeks ago and it was 37-38.

The slush was forming within 100yds of the dam, so i guess the water was 33 on the surface.

it's tough to catch fish when the fly is floating down on ice.

12-20-2004 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by voodoofly
A river still coming in but this time there was some slush flowing.
Any idea what the water temp is where you're fishing. I realize that there was slush but I think most of that comes from up above. I want to fish there later in the week but I guess that will be dependent on the amount of ice that forms. Nice to hear that you're still hooking fish down there. I fished the large river 45 minutes north of you yesterday (yeah it was cold) and we did very well! A lot of bright fish that pushed in with the high water. Happy holidays to all!

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12-19-2004 09:39 PM
peter-s-c OK, I fish the Catt and 18 Mile too, and I find my Loop Blue 8124 to be just about right. The 7116 (now the 8116 but apparently still the same rod -- still a 7 wt.) is about as light as I would go there, mostly because the fish there aren't the biggest, toughest fighters in the GLs. In taking the 7116 to the Catt, I wouldn't feel like I'm taking a knife to a gunfight, but you should've seen the wicked bend a medium sized, Grand River steelie put in Dave's 7116 last week. Dave's a brave lad -- I normally fish that river with a 9 or 10 wt. -- there's some 15 pounders in it and all are streambred.

I've fished 18 Mile once with a Lamiglas 6/7 (which is a pretty beefy rod for a 6/7 -- weighed more than my Daiwa 9 wt.) and I had no trouble with the one fish I caught there but it did fight like an old boot. A modest-sized steelie on the Salmon River spanked me good on the same rod. And that basically sums up the problem -- a decent 6/7 will handle medium-sized, old boots but if you tie into anything with attitude or real size, you'll get a workout. A 7/8 is a more reasonable proposition.

In comparing my Scott Arc 1007 to my SAS 1308, the Arc could handle bigger fish. I lost every steelhead I hooked with the SAS (not a lot hooked mind you, but enough to be annoying -- only had the rod for a year). Everytme I hooked something with the SAS, because of the bend, I'd swear the thing was going to blow up. Did land some old boot chinooks in the Credit with it, but they don't count. Though I had hooked and landed fish previously with my other two DHs, the SAS was the first DH rod that I experienced hooking big fish in strong currents and I felt very under-gunned.

If you want to go light and small, then the Loop Blue 7116/8116 is decent choice. There are other makes that are similar as well, and some of the other sponsers here offer comparable rods. Though I'm not a Sage fan, the 6126 is a decent Catt rod with enough muscle to handle a good-sized fish (it's much more of a 7 wt. than 6). I wouldn't recommend the Lami, too slow and heavy.
12-19-2004 08:45 PM
h2o Peter, As to "how big" flows at fishable wading levels run between 1500 - 2000 cfs on the Trout water. 400-550 cfs on the Steelhead............(the catt. I live about 50 minutes southwest ) The smaller tribs are about the size of a 2 to 4 lanes of road depending on the section.

Thanks for the tips. If I get one I may bump it up to a 7wt.
12-19-2004 07:44 PM
peter-s-c Well, how big or small are your rivers? The 6 wt. two-hander will be fine for trout, smallies, and small steelhead but anything approaching a mid-sized steelie will put a real good bend in it so you'll need to have lots of room for it to run. The lower weight rods aren't necessarily the best for small waters precisely because it's so hard to muscle a fish with them -- you're left with playing it on the reel and the butt section.

If you had seen the bend a 4 lb. smallie put into my 14'6" 10 wt. (I was fishing for steelies at the time but the smallies wouldn't go away) you wouldn't want to go out there under-gunned. Don't under estimate the leverage issue.
12-19-2004 05:54 PM
h2o Peter,

Really ? I would think that because of the butt dia. a 6 wt. would be plenty. I realize you are giving leverage to the fish...........but still.

The 6 wt. reasoning also lies in the fact that I fish large Trout in a large tailwater when flows go down to below 2000 cfs. This way it may get some more use. For local Steelhead the only sizable trib here is the "kitty". I can not imagine using a rod that long on the smaller tribs. From there it's about an hour and a quarter over to the Ohio tribs where there is one large enough.

Scott came out with a new 6 wt. in a new series.

P.S...........I wish you would have sold that 1007 Scott ARC to me. I can not find one and would like it for the collection.
12-19-2004 04:56 PM
Originally Posted by h2o
Now that I am done trying to justify my 9 1/2 foot Scott S3 single hander

What would you recomend in a 6 wt. spey ?

I like Scott but am open to suggestions.

By the way.................Nice seeing this Steelhead swing talk on a board.
How about a 8 wt. instead? The Scott A2 1308 is a very nice rod and ideal for our waters. If you buy a 6 wt., trust us, after getting your butt spanked a few times, you'll have wished you'd gone for something with a bit more muscle.
12-19-2004 04:13 PM
still keeping the faith

and was rewarded. OK the weather was much worst than Friday, but the river conditions are still favourable. A river still coming in but this time there was some slush flowing. the air temp was 10F and the north wind was howling at times. had one hook-up on the dangle. this time i got out of the river and chased down the fish. a beauty. all chrome hen with a snow white belly and a few black freckles starting to show. she was lethargic at first but then really put it to me. i'm glad i got out to chase her and beach her. my waders totally stiffened up while i was out of the water landing her. went back in and had a solid take just as the fly starting to swing. the rod really bent over, but no hook-up. he spit out the fly and it came racing back and wrapped around the tip. i de-iced once more, then ended up breaking off on the bottom and called it a day. not bad for 45 minutes of fishing. same pattern as Friday.

12-17-2004 05:55 PM
h2o O.K.
Now that I am done trying to justify my 9 1/2 foot Scott S3 single hander

What would you recomend in a 6 wt. spey ?

I like Scott but am open to suggestions.

By the way.................Nice seeing this Steelhead swing talk on a board.
12-17-2004 05:50 PM
Originally Posted by snaggletooth
Heres a couple of pictures from Tuesday and Wednesday.

12-17-2004 04:12 PM
my turn

Hey Jamey good story.

I got out after lunch today. Good conditions for swinging. A river coming back in. some sun to warm things up a bit. A good chance for fresh fish that hadn't been pricked or had to run the gauntlet of lead, plugs, trebles, spawn bags, spark plugs, etc.

I had the bap, bap on the dangle. Missed him. Moved around some. Got a good cast out and a good dead drift going. fly starts to go to the swing and solid hit. Fish breaks out going down. the bougle' is screaming (got some good looks from the bait guy below me), my finger is getting abused from the perforation holes on the reel face trying to slow this fish down. finally got the fished turned. he heads back my way in a long arc. a very strong fish that is using the current to his advantage. I'm lazy and I don't move so I start to horse him. fly pulls out. should have gotten out of the river and went after him. Oh well, we danced for a few minutes. he liked the voodoofly in the 24 karat package. that's an all black fly with gold trim.

12-17-2004 12:33 PM
peter-s-c Nice fish! Especially that bright chromer on the right.
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