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08-15-2004 12:12 PM
SouthFrkScholar Cascade, thanks for the information; I'll get busy tying up some of the aforementioned flies. I will indeed be fishin' the Cork Blackwater.
On the conservation issue I think that it is a good idea. The more and more we affect the world, we increase our responsibility of being its guardians. With that said, Ireland has a wonderful and lucrative asset in the Atlantic Salmon that should be protected while still enjoyed. Reducing the amount of takes is a good way to increase the number of spawning fish, thus returning fish, etc.
The eastern U.S. coastline and England rivers can tell you what happens when the salmon and their rivers aren't taken care of.
Bravo for Ireland taking some conservative steps in protecting their Salmon; BRAVO for banning smoking in the PUBS TOO!!!
I am disheartened somewhat though, to see that "recent data suggested there will not be a late run of salmon in August or September." Hopefully the spirit of Finn MacCool will be my guide and change my luck

Can't wait to visit

Jon
08-15-2004 10:13 AM
Cascade Willie,
thanks for the update.
Delighted to hear that anglers (especially visiting ones) have the option to retain a fish. An outright ban would not have been the way to go, in my opinion. Asking people to conserve is better, and one fish a day is lots, in hard times.
08-14-2004 01:31 PM
Willie Gunn Perhaps you could keep a fish if you were so inclined.

The Government has told fresh water anglers that they will be allowed to keep only one salmon per day in the peak fishing month of September, down from three per day this month.

The measure is designed to protect stocks of the fish, which are under threat, while avoiding the introduction of an outright ban on the retention of salmon by rod anglers.

The development was sanctioned yesterday by the Minister of State for the Marine, Mr John Browne, after a recommendation from the National Salmon Commission.

The commission, which is the statutory advisory body comprising representatives of the wild salmon fishing industry, held a special meeting yesterday to discuss a sharp fall in the run of salmon this summer.

Despite the fall, angling industry interests are understood to have told the Minister for Tourism, Mr O'Donoghue, that an outright ban would have a "devastating" impact on their business next month.

With up to 40,000 anglers visiting Ireland each year, the business is said to be worth some 55 million.

Mr O'Donoghue is understood to have written to the Minister for the Marine, Mr Dermot Ahern, and Mr Browne to express concern about the possible impact of such a ban.

He urged his colleagues to take such concerns into account when deciding fishing limits for next month.
Mr Browne said yesterday that the new measure was a "practical mechanism" to protect stocks of the fish "while acknowledging the important role angling played in attracting tourists to Ireland".

The commission is considering options to protect the long-term viability of salmon stocks.

While the daily limit of three salmon will continue to apply until the end of the month, the combined limits for August and September will still be subject to a maximum of 20 salmon per angler per season.

Given the pressure on salmon stocks, Mr Browne has urged all anglers to voluntarily fish on a catch-and-release basis for the remainder of the season.
The Minister of State believes this will ensure an increased survival rate for spawning purposes later in the year.

"The recommendation made by the Salmon Commission, which I fully endorse, will afford the continuation of the season for tourism angling into September but at the same time minimise the impact on our valuable wild salmon stocks," he said.

While the deterioration of stocks has been such that drift net fishermen have been unable to meet their quotas, the Government has already rejected demands for an extension of the commercial season.

Mr Ahern and Mr Browne are known to have consulted Bord Iscaigh Mhara about the poor run of fish this summer. They were told that the most recent data suggested there will not be a late run of salmon in August or September.

Arthur Beesley
The Irish Times




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08-14-2004 04:34 AM
Cascade
Welcome Jon !

Jon,
When you say you are going to fish the Blackwater, I am presuming it`s the Munster (Cork) Blackwater. As there are 11 Blackwaters in Ireland, please let me know if I am assuming wrongly.
The Blackwater rises in Co. Kerry, and flows through Co. Cork entering the sea at Cappoquin Co. waterford, in total 105 miles long. If you know specifically what area or beats you intend to fish, let me know, and perhaps I can advise in more detail.
Water levels will dictate your fly size, but for this time of year, shrimp/hairwing patterns, usually trebles size 10-14 will cover most conditions.
My favourites for the Blackwater would be Gary Dog, Stoat`s tail, Silver Stoat, Munroe Killer, and Hairy Mary. Thunder and Lightening also works well.
I am not aware of any website that gives tying details, but I am sure there are some. If you need some fly-tying contacts, drop me a message and I will be delighted to give you some phone numbers. All good tackle shops there will stock these patterns, should you prefer to purchase them.
You have right to be excited, as this river can be very productive at this time of year.
One cavaet though, our Government, in all it`s wisdom, under the guise of conservation, has just this week introduced a law that any fish caught during the month of September, must be released. This rule has caused a lot of controversy and may be reversed, but as it stands, it is law.
You will be made most welcome on your visit, enjoy the Black stuff in Dublin, and tight lines in Cork.
If you need anything further, drop me a message, and I will be delighted to assist in any way I can.
Peter.
08-13-2004 11:47 AM
SouthFrkScholar Cascade, I am heading to Ireland the first week in September and fishing the Blackwater. It is my first trip to Ireland and my first time fishing for Atlantic Salmon. To say I am excited is an extreme understatement. I'm spending a few days in Dublin (getting the coveted pint of Guiness from its birthplace), a few days on the coast, a few days in Cork and most importantly - a few days fishing for Salmo Salar.
I was wondering if you could pass on some advice to a young flyfisherman. I saw your post about some good flies (Black and Gold, Yellow Ally, Willie Gunn, Gary Dog and Munroe Killer). Would you say those would do pretty well on the Blackwater? Is there a good website that gives a recipe on how to tie them up?
Any advice you could give would be well appreciated.
Thanks,
Jon
~Fish on~
07-08-2004 11:11 AM
Cascade Juro,
you would be most welcome anytime !
The fishin`s great, the craic is great, and the guinness is the best in the World.
We have many of your fellow countrymen,( including two of the world`s most famous golfers ), fishing here at present.
Look forward to welcoming you when you get the chance.
Peter.
07-08-2004 09:00 AM
juro Peter -

Why thank you for the generous offer! I would hope that some day I will get to visit the emerald isle with salmon rod in hand.

regards,
Juro
07-08-2004 03:56 AM
Cascade
Visiting Ireland !

The last few years have seen a massive improvement in the amount of salmon returning to Irish rivers, despite the continuation of licensed netting off our coast.
Spring salmon runs of record preportions, have been quickly followed by grilse runs of a similar nature.
To the point where work has been interfering with my fishing, I have been enjoying all the activity, and have fished extensively throughout the country.
Many foreign anglers, numerous of them noted anglers, have been enjoying the sport also.
Should any members be planning to visit Ireland, or wish to visit at a future date, please feel free to avail of any assistance that a lifetime of local knowledge has to offer. In an effort to "put a little back" I would be delighted to advise, introduce, and if need be arrange, anything that would make your visit a memorable one.
I`m a great believer in a little "local knowledge", so just drop a line if you`re going to be in our locality, and hopefully we`ll point you in the right direction.
Tight lines, whatever`s pullin` them !
Peter.

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