|06-16-2004 02:41 PM|
|flyjkol||Thanks for the information Joe. It sounds like alot of fun tying into a fish with. I just might have to look into it some more out of curiosity...|
|06-16-2004 01:30 PM|
Varivas is it
A japanese company makes 8x-12x in their Midge tippet.
Their tippet is, IMHO, the best no matter the size. I'm not sure it is a "true" 12x. I believe there is some formula to determine the X rating that came from the old silk gut days and around 10x, the diameter is around 0. So a TRUE 10x is not even possible.
The 12x is, however the thinnest tippet available, regardless of x rating.
The 12x is a remarkable 1.06lb test. I think they use it for yamame fishing.
Do a search for varivas tippet for info. I'm sure one of our sponsors can get it if they don't stock it.
I make long midge leaders down to 12x and they are great fun for small fish of the sort I am often fishing for in little Pennsylvania streams.
I've also been thinking about trying to carp fish with 12x. Would be great for those super wary carp. And the test is so low that if I hook into one too big, I can easily break him off before he's fought to death.
I bought 8-12x and have been happily tying leaders with them for a ffew years.
|06-16-2004 01:19 PM|
Re: Hen's teeth
I've never seen any thing lighter than 9x. What pound test is this stuff?
|06-16-2004 12:57 PM|
John's suggestion is excellent. In Montana is it very common practice to tie two Tricos on the same #16 or #18 hook in order to get a small size fly and have it appear like two flies lying together on the water while giving the angler a larger hook gap for better hookups. No reason the same thing wouldn't work with the smaller midges you're trying to imitate.
|06-16-2004 10:37 AM|
John D- Another great idea. I tried tiny griffith's gnats and they would not take those, so I was wary to try another "midge-cluster kind of thing." You idea, however is excellent and I will try it.
MJC--- Yes, this is all with an 18' Daiwa. You had to ask?
|06-15-2004 11:38 PM|
Are you using that 12X on your "BIG D"stick?
|06-15-2004 10:30 PM|
Re: Hen's teeth
|06-15-2004 10:15 PM|
Yeah, these buggers are rare. I actually just found someone who has some, but they ain't cheap.
The day I luck into a fly shop with a box of size 32 mustads just laying around is the day I am struck dead :hehe:
I am matching a flourescent white midg-y thing that has been hatching so much that it looks like someone sprinkled cork dust on the little stream. The trout go wild for it. They won't touch my #26 grey-wispy nor my Tiemco #32 grey whispy. I see them rise and just take a mouthful of the little things.
I think perhaps a #10 White Wulff is actually the answer
I also like tiny flies. I need a reason to use my 12x tippet.
You comment about using only part of the shank is really excellent and I'm going to try it.
I DO think that mustad makes a true 28, but my TMC 32s are about a true 28 in size.
Hey, thanks all for the help. One day when I need to match a hatch of ermines, I'll perster you about the 10/0.
|06-15-2004 08:01 PM|
|flytyer||I haven't seen them in 20 years. I think the closest you are going to get to them is #26 hooks unless you can find someone or some shop with some unsold #32's layng around. You can always do what Rube Wood did when he needed small hooks back before WWI, tie the fly only 1/2 or 3/4 of the shank to get the smaller fly. In effect, you tie a small #24 trout fly as a sort of low-water fly. Wood tied his with the tail positioned normally; but he left a lot of bare shank before the hook's eye. This style of tying insures the fly will land and float properly.|
|06-15-2004 05:59 PM|
I dont have any for sale, I only have the one and it is in a frame next to a 10/0 Salmon iron above my desk.
Just out of curiosity, what are you trying to match in a #32????
No-see-ums? I am a salmon guy and anything under a #12 is small for me so i am just curious. I personally wouldnt think tackle this small is practicle, but thats just me. Good luck and enjoy it man, if that's what your after.
As for the hooks themselves? Havent seen them in so long, or even seen them mentioned that i couldnt begin to give you a direction. Flytyer may have an idea.
|06-12-2004 10:12 PM|
WANTED: Mustad size 32 hooks
Thought you guys might still have some of the old REALLY FREAKING TINY mustad size 32 fly hooks laying around that you'd sell me.
I need to match this durned TINY hatch at my fav stream and even the Tiemco 518 size 32 won't do it.
Please let me know dudes and dudettes--