Fly Fishing Forum - Reply to Topic
The Quintessential Trout Trout angling is the core of flyfishing worldwide.

Thread: Not quite quintessential Reply to Thread
Post Icons
You may choose an icon for your message from the following list:

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Fly Fishing Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:
Home Waters
Your home waters
Current Favorite Fly
If you only had one... (change anytime)


Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.

Additional Options
Miscellaneous Options
Rate Thread
If you like, you can add a score for this thread.

Topic Review (Newest First)
11-15-2000 12:03 PM
RE:Not quite quintessential

Thank you Juro. I would love to do that and I just might take you up on it when the time comes. I could use some saltwater action, especially considering I've yet to try it.
11-14-2000 07:27 PM
RE:Not quite quintessential

Luis -

Sorry to hear about your busy year, knowing especially how avid you are.

Hey guys - what do you say we host Luis for a little Rip Trip or Big Girl bar action at the Chatham Angler's Club this coming summer to make up for it? Luis if you don't mind getting a little salty we might have the cure!


(consider it a formal invitation)
11-14-2000 07:11 PM
RE:Not quite quintessential

RE: hosting a clave...
I only wish, Roop. I've fished a combined total of 12 or so days in the year 2000 and can't wait for it to be over. It wasn't what it was cracked up to be.
11-14-2000 06:01 PM
RE:Not quite quintessential

Amen, Roop, and thanks, Trutta. Now I really need to fish!

Anyone up for hitting a Cape pond Sunday morning?
11-14-2000 05:26 PM
RE:Not quite quintessential

Nice collage Luis!

When can you host a clave for us or consult on where & when to go?

11-14-2000 01:06 PM
RE:Not quite quintessential

11-14-2000 09:07 AM
RE:Not quite quintessential

Not quite quintessential either.... but closer.... and a gorgeous fish, to boot.

The quintessential trout is an abstraction, an ideal that we carry around with us that can't be held or photographed. In fact, a photograph is further removed from the quintessence since it is a reproduction of a reproduction (at least according to the platonic world view). It's sort of a Heisenberg thing. The moment you seek to study or otherwise quantify the quintessential, it changes into something non-essential.

BTW, all this sophistry is just a fancy way of saying, "I need to fish!"
11-14-2000 08:49 AM
RE:Not quite quintessential

I've always loved that shot, really. Hey Juro, want to step out to some very nearby foothills, I'll show you some

11-14-2000 08:26 AM
RE:Not quite quintessential


<font size="1">Photo Luis Nasim - All Rights Reserved</font><!--1--></center>

Let's ask Luis Nasim about it... <!--http--><a href="" target="_blank">Brookies of the North</a><!--url-->, <!--http--><a href="" target="_blank"> Aurora Fontinalis</a><!--url-->.
11-14-2000 07:52 AM
RE:Not quite quintessential

Al --

Aside from switching the tips to prevent sets, you'll want to sometimes
play a fish with the guides pointed UP for the same reason. Also, with
apologies to Mr. Powers, I've only used cane in *fresh* water thus far;
but it is also good to play "larger" fish with the rod near horizontal
to the water to avoid putting too much stress on those delicate tips...

There is nothing quite as nice as the feel of a well-made cane rod flexing
back and forth as you stand in a stream someplace! (still not sure how I managed to get out only 3 times this year for trout -- but the year is not over yet, and it was one of my best years in the salt)

11-14-2000 07:34 AM
RE:Not quite quintessential

Yeah, Mike, exactly. What you would expect to find down in Plato's cave, the unseen form of forms. Stocked pond trout are about as far away from the fifth essence as you can get. (Little known fact: The Philosopher King was a fly fisherman

Is your Redwing a varnished or impregnated cane? If the latter, fishing it in the salt is probably not a big deal since that process makes it impervious to water and adds strength. My H-I is impregnated and flamed. If it turns out that it takes a 7 weight line, I will most likely fish it for stripers as well.

I picked up a great information source: <!--http--><a href="" target="_blank">Classic Rod Q & A</a><!--url-->
11-13-2000 11:39 PM
RE:Not quite quintessential

Quintessential. Referring to the fifth (quint) essence. At some point in classical times, matter was thought to be comprised of four essences. The quintessence was the essence of the essences, the mystical thing which made something exactly what it was. See G.B. Shaw, "the Quintessence of Ibsenism".

Pedantic mode off.

The extra tip is for swapping? I always thought it was a backup because the good folks at Montague knew that sixty odd years later I was likely to break a tip and need a spare.

I have a Montague Redwing and I actually fish it a lot. I appalled my friend Jared by fishing for winter over schoolies with it. He couldn't believe I'd risk a cane rod on stripers. Since I got it for a fraction of the cost of some Orvis graphite that I've exploded on stripers, I don't see the point. Also, it feels cool to have caught stripers on cane.
11-13-2000 08:34 PM
RE:Not quite quintessential

Terry - I meant my fish was puny, but I'm psyched about the rod. Didn't mean anything by the quinessence crack.

I came across the name Montague quite often. It's another production rod. Quite durable. I learned that if the rod is sound, it is most likely fishable, and may only need a little rubbing to bring back some of its aesthetics. Might be a kick to bring your 10' bar hopper back to life.... We should have a cane clave in the Spring

11-13-2000 07:22 PM
RE:Not quite quintessential

Actually Al I was just passing time in an otherwise quiet day on the board. I don't evan know how a trout can be quintessential. Maybe the trout is the essence of FF?
Anyway, I have a crappy old Bamboo someone tossed me years ago. It's so old as to be unusable, but I never looked at the lable. I'm going to now. Also I was down the cape cleaning the garage one day when the neighbor came over and said " want this?" It was a 10' bamboo surf rod. Made by Montigue. I found a book at ORvis in W. Concord that had all the values of Bamboo rods. It was in there for about 60 bucks. Oh well, nice conversation piece, and I'll always wonder what that rod saw on the cape in the 30s and 40s. Who knows it may have evan visited the Big Girl Bar before we were evan born! Enjoy the rod Al.

11-13-2000 05:36 PM
RE:Not quite quintessential

Thanks for the info, gang. Terry, my trout may not have been quintessential, but I'm hoping this rod is.....

After some poking around during my lunch break, I found out it was mass produced sometime after WW II and falls into a category that some of the more snobby classic rod sites call "blue collar cane."

The company is out of Utica, NY and while the run of the mill Cunnigham is valued at ~ $125, the model I purchased has some custom features that may make it worth a little more. The most noteworthy of these is the use of silver nickel ferrules and guides.

The only thing this rod needs is a single replaced guide on one of the tips. BTW, bamboo rods come with two identical rod tips that are meant to be swapped each time you fish the rod. This prevents a bend or set from forming in the deeply flexed tip section. I may attempt to do that replacement on my own this winter. There's a ton of how-to info on the Web.

In short, my new H-I is not a collector's item, and that suits me just fine since I plan to fish with it. (I wouldn't want to risk something of value in my clumsy hands). I'm anxious to see what line it will handle as the seller was uncertain.

From what I've read so far, casting a bamboo rod is a much more deliberate endeavor than modern day graphite. It's not uncommon to feel the action of the rod right down to the cork. The payoff is greater accuracy and loop control, something I was wishing for yesterday. A down side is that anything but dead calm wind will make for extremely difficult fishing. Regardless of how it fishes, the rod is something to look at and well worth the $80 I paid on that count alone.

If anyone else is interested in bamboo, shoot me some email and I'll share some other tips I learned.
This thread has more than 15 replies. Click here to review the whole thread.

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:22 AM.

vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright (All Rights Reserved)